PiersBrand | 29 Jan 2014 6:48 p.m. PST |
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WWIICentral | 29 Jan 2014 7:03 p.m. PST |
Very nice Piers! Excellent results! |
Only Warlock | 29 Jan 2014 7:19 p.m. PST |
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Sparker | 29 Jan 2014 7:33 p.m. PST |
Good grief that was quick work! Good though! |
Just Jack | 29 Jan 2014 7:38 p.m. PST |
God bless, how do you do that!? They look amazing, and you seem to be turning out entire battalions every four days. They really look amazing. V/R, Jack |
pigasuspig | 29 Jan 2014 9:06 p.m. PST |
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Cardinal Hawkwood | 29 Jan 2014 10:46 p.m. PST |
you weren't put off by the respirator pouch and the water bottle position being inverted? |
Martin Rapier | 30 Jan 2014 12:12 a.m. PST |
Wasn't there a thread which said that problem had been fixed for the 15s? Looking at those it certainly hasn't, and although they are beautifully painted, I just couldn't bear to buy something which is so wrong. They might as well be wearing Mark VII gas masks on their chests. Shame, as they are nice figures otherwise. |
Cardinal Hawkwood | 30 Jan 2014 1:01 a.m. PST |
seems an odd thing to get wrong |
plutarch 64 | 30 Jan 2014 3:13 a.m. PST |
Stunning work as usual, Piers. |
Martin Rapier | 30 Jan 2014 4:24 a.m. PST |
"seems an odd thing to get wrong" I think it is just one of those things, maybe from a reversed photo or something. I have seen the odd photo with water bottles on the left hip, but usually troops in very light assault rig. If you are right handed, it is a real pig to get to on the left hip. It also means you can't hang the e-tool in its alternate (and somewhat more comfy) alternate left hip position. I suppose they could all be trimmed off and hung on the right side. |
PiersBrand | 30 Jan 2014 5:04 a.m. PST |
To be honest, it doesn't really notice in 15mm
Not to me anyway, but then I game in 20mm! These beggars are so small! It may also have been a mould design issue as I think some of the figures do have the water bottle on the right hip, when I do more I will check. Regardless though, I really enjoyed painting them, first 15mm plastics I have worked on that I can truly say were fun to do and an enjoyment not a chore. Want to try some with a 'speedy' method too. Really though, Im just here to paint them
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Cardinal Hawkwood | 30 Jan 2014 5:12 a.m. PST |
beautifully painted indeed |
mysteron | 30 Jan 2014 5:51 a.m. PST |
Superb painting. The uniform issues wouldn't be a concern for me even in 20mm . Wouldn't be really noticeable on a gaming board. |
panzerCDR | 30 Jan 2014 6:24 a.m. PST |
Very nice! Thanks for sharing. I wonder where I can get a box. . . Not that I NEED any more Brits . . . Still . . . |
Upuaut72 | 30 Jan 2014 7:07 a.m. PST |
Never mind the water bottle, I see a bigger mistake, the Bren gunner does not have a mustache! |
JustinModelDads | 30 Jan 2014 7:42 a.m. PST |
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Zargon | 30 Jan 2014 7:53 a.m. PST |
I'm sorry these are nice, but if the kit is noticeably wrong its is wrong, this gets round and you lose sales, simple. Now weigh up the pros of fixing the problem against the cons of fixing the problem. And who okayed it prior to making the mold? Pity as they are nice, and not a problem to those who don't care but the rest of us? I'd be thinking about it too much and that spoils it. Cheers |
Griefbringer | 30 Jan 2014 9:36 a.m. PST |
the Bren gunner does not have a mustache! It is so that you can better see how stiff his upper lip is! |
PiersBrand | 30 Jan 2014 6:23 p.m. PST |
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Just Jack | 30 Jan 2014 7:41 p.m. PST |
I am finding it hard to believe there are folks that wouldn't play with these because the canteen is on the left hip. "If you are right handed, it is a real pig to get to on the left hip." Unless you use your left hand ;) I don't know about Brits, but since WWII there have been enterprising US infantrymen that got TWO canteens, putting one on each hip! Insane, right? I'm assuming the issue with the "canteen must be on the right hip" is due to some uniform regulation? I'm sure we all realize that guys in combat tend to adjust their gear as they see fit? Looking at the pic above, I'd imagine that blanket (or whatever it is) isn't being carried in accordance with regulation either. For that matter, look at the rolled up pants! Regarding the e-tool, again, I don't know much about other countries, but I always figured it was kind of universal for guys in a fight to drop all their non-essential gear, i.e., as soon as the shooting starts the packs come off. Wouldn't most guys view the e-tool in those regards, and have their e-tool on their packs? I'm not too familiar with Brit e-tools, but it seems like I've seen plenty of pictures where they have shovels or picks strapped on/to/under their packs, very non-regulation looking. Not trying to start up any controversy, I just can't understand why you wouldn't play with these (in my opinion) beautiful figures, particularly given the fact that men in combat are known to rig their gear however they see fit. P.S. – I'm not saying regulations don't have their place on the battlefield, just that some are generally viewed as more relevant than others. For example, an SOP that wounded troops are treated with their own first aid kits, so everybody carries their first aid kit in the same spot there's no screwing around trying to find it. V/R, Jack |
Sparker | 30 Jan 2014 7:50 p.m. PST |
Quite right mate! Whichever way you look at them these figures speak for themselves. You'll always get a couple of clever arses who just have to display their arcane knowledge of uniform regulations they read in a book. Fine if the intention is to inform, but to write off the entire production run because the webbing isn't worn according to regs – jeez! Just to put it into context, the regs for '58 Pattern British Cold War webbing was for the cylindrical poncho holder to be attached beneath the kidney pouches. In practice just about everyone I know wore it above the kidney pouches so that you could fit more gear into it! I wonder if in 50 years some know all wargamer who has never worn uniform will declare a model wrong because the pncho roll is being worn the wrong way, and stuffed to bulging with an NBC suit? As has been said above, treat the regs with appropriate caution! |
Martin Rapier | 31 Jan 2014 3:39 a.m. PST |
"You'll always get a couple of clever arses who just have to display their arcane knowledge of uniform regulations they read in a book." As I said, I have seen a one or two photos of them on the left, but in the majority of cases they were worn on the right. If that makes me a smart arse, then so be it. If this particular range of figures had a mixture of belt kit worn in different ways, that would be fine, but they don't. If there is one army I'm picky about, it is the British, I couldn't give two hoots if the Germans, Russians or US are loaded down (or not) with anachronistic combinations of gear. I thought with 58 a more common combination was two poncho rolls and swap the kidney pouches for canteen pouches? |
PiersBrand | 31 Jan 2014 3:53 a.m. PST |
Well we all have different tastes as to what we want our figures to be like. I have to agree with Martin to a degree, most troops did indeed wear the webbing in the 'regulation' way and personalizing the load out does, at least anecdotally, seem to have been less prevalent an occurance in 'British' forces than in other armies during WW2 (perhaps due to the spit and polish mentality of some Sgt. Majors?). That said, there are always exceptions to the rule as evidenced by the photo above and as Martin pointed out. How common these exceptions were, we can never know. For me, in 15mm these little figures work perfectly. I can be a stickler for detail in 20mm but at this size things are less noticeable, especially from a few feet away, lets not forget the size of those figures in the picture is a lot bigger than in reality so the placing of the waterbottle one some of them, and also the undercuts in the moulding, are more noticeable than in reality on your tabletop. But all that said, lets not denigrate one persons views against another. Its a personal hobby, so lets let people persue it in the manner in which they want too and use the toys they want to get the best enjoyment for themselves
I better not post anymore pics in case I cause anymore excitement! My heart wont take it! ;) |
Ross Mcpharter | 31 Jan 2014 9:17 a.m. PST |
Lovely painting Piers, are they painted as Canadians? |
VonBurge | 31 Jan 2014 10:01 a.m. PST |
The figures look great. How well will the round bases on these individual figure "fit" into the holes on the new BF infantry stands/bases? |
PiersBrand | 31 Jan 2014 12:08 p.m. PST |
Im pretty sure they fit in well
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Mechanical | 31 Jan 2014 4:08 p.m. PST |
Probably Ross because Canucks really don't give a cr_p about regulations. ;) |
Blackhorse MP | 01 Feb 2014 12:01 a.m. PST |
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Sparker | 01 Feb 2014 12:43 a.m. PST |
I thought with 58 a more common combination was two poncho rolls and swap the kidney pouches for canteen pouches? 2 poncho rolls – wish I'd thought of that – just too useful! I did meet a Gurkha Captain at Warminster whose rig was just waterbottle pouches – and a damn big kukhri – but then again he was DS so not carrying mags, NBC kit and so forth, so I don't know
Anyway, back on topic, I suspect this will be a popular range and, as wisely observed above, even the pernickty old rivet counters are unlikely to pick up on anything in this scale
unless they've seen this thread of course! Looking forward to painting mine, and if they turn out half as good as Piers's I'll be well chuffed! |
Bellbottom | 01 Feb 2014 5:57 p.m. PST |
I think they're excellent, seeing as I have them in my hand now. ( I just don't think I'll be able to do them jusice as above). Now I just want them to do early war 1940 Brits, (with all the bells and whistles), or perhaps French (a mixed box perhaps, say, 12 cavalry + 12 dismounted, 60 infantry, and 12 each of various colonial troops). |
Martin Rapier | 02 Feb 2014 7:30 a.m. PST |
"I did meet a Gurkha Captain at Warminster whose rig was just waterbottle pouches – and a damn big kukhri – but then again he was DS so not carrying mags, NBC kit and so forth, so I don't know
" Now strangely I also knew a Ghurka Captain, although I suspect not the same one! As I said earlier, the PSC Brits are indeed lovely figures, don't take any notice of my griping. "just want them to do early war 1940 Brits," LOL, we are never happy. I asked PSC about early war Germans over a year ago. I just really like plastic figures, takes me back to being a kid again. |
PiersBrand | 02 Feb 2014 11:31 a.m. PST |
Early War Germans you say
I passed on the research material for that set last year and I think I have the initial 'sculpts' to review for PSC soon. Im helping them out by reviewing the odd render before production now and helping the designers with research material
got a selection of pics of a few German vehicles to send them next. |
(Stolen Name) | 02 Feb 2014 1:12 p.m. PST |
Hmmm I have EW Germans already both Heer and SS but Brits I have yet to get
..but German would sell more so I understand if thy came out first |
Bellbottom | 03 Feb 2014 3:40 a.m. PST |
I spoke to them on their stand at Vapnartak on Sunday and they said Early war Germans were in the pipeline |
Martin Rapier | 03 Feb 2014 3:59 a.m. PST |
Oh yes, I knew they were being worked on, just wasn't sure when they would be appearing. |
Corbec | 05 Mar 2014 9:13 p.m. PST |
Outstanding work on the miniatures. Might I ask what you are using for the grass on the bases? Are those miniature silfor tufts? I am about to base three squads as single figures for BG:O and I would appreciate any tips, there's not a lot of room on a 16 mm base :) |
PiersBrand | 06 Mar 2014 4:59 a.m. PST |
Yes, I use the 2mm Siflor Tufts. I just based the demo game armies for show games using normal flock and the tufts. I based infantry in singles and weapons teams together in 15mm. |
ubercommando | 06 Mar 2014 10:08 a.m. PST |
It's one thing to be put off by an anomaly in the figures. However, it's worse when you have those figures yourself and someone at your club just can't stop going on about how inaccurate they are and grumble about them being used in your game. |
Lion in the Stars | 06 Mar 2014 10:52 a.m. PST |
someone at your club just can't stop going on about how inaccurate they are and grumble about them being used in your game. "If they make you so upset, will you provide me with the minis that are correct?" |
PiersBrand | 07 Mar 2014 2:59 a.m. PST |
Personally Ubercommando, Im not sure I'd play with someone like that
My patience just don't extend that far. |
kevanG | 07 Mar 2014 6:41 a.m. PST |
Piers, Lion Not everyone is swamped by people who are willing to play the games you want to, albeit, I have never been in that position myself. Perhaps they dont like the concept or just want to wind him up |
PiersBrand | 07 Mar 2014 7:13 a.m. PST |
Very true Kevan. Despite living in rural Ireland, its turned out to be a hot bed of historical gamers! We have eight regular gamers in our club. I forget that not everyone is so lucky. That said, no excuse for being rude in a game someone else is running though. Sometimes comments are best kept to oneself. |
wargamer6 | 08 Mar 2014 8:06 a.m. PST |
As usual Piers, you have made a great job of the painting. I wouldn't have thought it would be a difficult job to cut the offending canteens off and reposition them on the right side if it offends anyone. The figures are certainly better than the "tortured dwarves" made by some 15mm companies . My only reservation is it would have been nice to see full size entrenching spades being carried as the wartime photos of British infantry show. |