Captain dEwell | 06 Jan 2014 3:51 p.m. PST |
Is there any interest in having this produced in 28mm along with some US Marines skirmishers? Perry Miniatures, perhaps? |
nnascati | 06 Jan 2014 3:57 p.m. PST |
They look pretty much like any other Continental regulars, except for the green coats and of course the leather neck stock. However, I thought Marines had a different sort of headgear at that time? |
Captain dEwell | 06 Jan 2014 4:01 p.m. PST |
Hmmn, I could be mistaken, of course, and stand to be corrected. |
GR C17 | 06 Jan 2014 4:26 p.m. PST |
Continental Marines, as they would be correctly called, did have the same pattern uniform. They are depicted with both the military tricorn and the trimmed down round hat with one side cocked up. Well as far as I can tell. |
historygamer | 06 Jan 2014 4:52 p.m. PST |
Uh, that picture is a mess. Continental Marine enlisted wore a round hat. Their cockades should be black, with a smaller white one later after the alliance with France. Apparently they are all officer since they are all wearing gorgets. Or the artist didn't know what he was doing Why does the guy on the right have a moustache? link |
historygamer | 06 Jan 2014 4:56 p.m. PST |
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79thPA | 06 Jan 2014 5:01 p.m. PST |
Assuming it was done correctly, it would be a cool and expensive piece, but of limited use. |
nnascati | 06 Jan 2014 5:26 p.m. PST |
Also, I'd expect to see seamen manning the guns. |
Captain dEwell | 06 Jan 2014 5:33 p.m. PST |
Assuming that the uniform accuracy would be correct, if the vessel was made in resin would it still be 'expensive' to produce? I was thinking that it could open up a new theatre of the AWI to the wargamer/collector. |
Frederick the Grape | 06 Jan 2014 5:51 p.m. PST |
They appear to be a rather happy lot too. Either that or they are singing bawdy limericks. |
John the OFM | 06 Jan 2014 7:16 p.m. PST |
Lime green cockades? Sure, and it must be St. Paddy's Day! |
historygamer | 06 Jan 2014 8:02 p.m. PST |
They must like all the fighting going out behind them, and being in a small boat. Officers. Who can figure them? |
Captain dEwell | 07 Jan 2014 3:22 a.m. PST |
Oh dear
this boat is sinking! |
Chokidar | 07 Jan 2014 3:34 a.m. PST |
To your original question
assuming things were accurate etc etc (don't worry – I got torpedoed for once criticising a rowing boat because of its square sides and improbably high (low) waterline!!) I for one am a sucker for boats, ships, etc and I doubt I am the only one. Cost seems to vary as well from the prohibitive to the reasonable – e.g. the OG Pirate rowing boat. The problem might be if it is designed consensually on TMP we might end up with a gold plated aircraft carrier crewed with Games Workshop resins! (or a plastic duck manned with potato men) ! But yes – it would be cool! |
Mac1638 | 07 Jan 2014 4:29 a.m. PST |
A Boat that has not been painted, not on this plant. A bow gun on a ships carrage, look out for that recoil. How is this vesel being sailed ? O it will be by the brave Marians, they are well known for there sailing abilities. The boat and it rigging, no ore loop, no rigging. It must be in a differant dimension ! |
Captain dEwell | 07 Jan 2014 7:19 a.m. PST |
SUNK!
well and truly torpedoed
from another dimension Thank you. |
Supercilius Maximus | 07 Jan 2014 7:25 a.m. PST |
A few years back, when Alan Perry went his own way, I sent him a plan view of a Lake Champlain/Valcour Island British gunboat that had been drawn by the Derbyshire artist and draughtsman, Joseph Wright. At the time, he seemed quite keen to try some different things with the AWI range. I might ask him what happened to it, next time I see him
(The painting reminds me of Leutze's depiction of Washington crossing the Delaware, in which all the men in the boat are clearly officers. Except one, who obviously is an enlisted man because
..he's the only one actually rowing.) |
Captain dEwell | 07 Jan 2014 7:46 a.m. PST |
link To a land-lubber like me, there does not seem to be a great difference in appearance between the picture above and the wreck shown in the link. |
Frederick the Grape | 07 Jan 2014 8:19 a.m. PST |
I keep looking at the picture and wondering what is holding that heavy anchor to the side of the hull. |
John the OFM | 07 Jan 2014 8:37 a.m. PST |
Velcro? I was wondering where the lines ended and where they were tied off. One marine is sitting on a line end, and it wraps around him. This picture reminds me of the old kid's magazine from the 50s (Highlight? Highlife?) with the caption "Can you find everything wrong in this picture?" #36 Every marine wears an epaulette. |
ancientsgamer | 07 Jan 2014 8:48 a.m. PST |
I was thinking recoil too on those guns would be a problem! One shot wonders?;-) I noticed the gorgets too :-) The guy with the mustache is obviously a former Hessian that has switched sides :-) As to having small gunboats, why yes, I would like some :-) Kind of reminds me of the pirate games at some conventions where they use smaller ships rather than ships of the line, etc. I wonder what was cobbled together later in say the War of 1812 on the Great Lakes? Didn't they have small gunboats then? They could be used for both periods, no? |
IronDuke596 | 07 Jan 2014 10:41 a.m. PST |
Most War of 1812 gunboats had guns/carronades in the bow and or the stern would be mounted on slides to allow for recoil. Some slightly larger gunboats had guns mounted on turntables and all could mount a small carronade on a stern turntable. And there many variations of the aforementioned. Yes, I would buy a 28mm gun boat for the War of 1812 games
providing they were well researched, plus small row boats. I expect that these quasi general use boats could be useful for the AWI but I defer to those more knowledgeable of AWI. |
historygamer | 07 Jan 2014 11:25 a.m. PST |
So what is the question – producing a boat and crew – or to reproducing this image? |
Captain dEwell | 07 Jan 2014 3:07 p.m. PST |
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historygamer | 07 Jan 2014 5:23 p.m. PST |
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historygamer | 07 Jan 2014 5:27 p.m. PST |
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historygamer | 07 Jan 2014 5:29 p.m. PST |
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historygamer | 07 Jan 2014 5:30 p.m. PST |
The Waterhouse series aren't bad. I remember when they were on display at Fort Pitt Museum in the 70s, |
Bill N | 07 Jan 2014 6:01 p.m. PST |
I used to have a set of Waterhouse AWI marine prints but they got lost in a flood. |
Captain dEwell | 07 Jan 2014 6:08 p.m. PST |
historygamer, Some interesting prints you have posted. There appears to be enough accurate material in them to make me wish to again pose my original question. Any takers? |
charared | 07 Jan 2014 8:48 p.m. PST |
According to link provided above
Benedict Arnold's 1776 gondola
But wasn't BA a "traitor"? Charlie |
Camcleod | 07 Jan 2014 9:30 p.m. PST |
" But wasn't BA a "traitor"? " Not until 1778 :) The Gondola's Arnold used at Valcour Island were about 53' long with a complement of about 45. link Captain DEwell Is this the type of craft you are considering ? Or a smaller ship's boat ? |
Cornet | 07 Jan 2014 10:22 p.m. PST |
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charared | 07 Jan 2014 11:54 p.m. PST |
The Evacuation of Billingsport, 2 October 1777 US Marines in an advance to the rear! |
Captain dEwell | 08 Jan 2014 3:39 a.m. PST |
Camcleod, Thank you, yes. The USS Philadelphia (1776), or similar. Is there any interest in having this produced in 28mm along with some US Marines skirmishers? Perry Miniatures, perhaps? |
Bill N | 08 Jan 2014 5:20 a.m. PST |
charared Supporting Member of TMP 07 Jan 2014 7:48 p.m. PST According to link provided above
Benedict Arnold's 1776 gondola
If that is the case we have another problem. The marines serving with Arnold were not Continental Marines as we think of them. I believe they were drafts from infantry units serving with the Northern Army supplemented by some recruits. As such the drafts would most likely be wearing the uniform of their parent unit and not the Continental Marine uniform. IIRC this is what Waterhouse depicted in his painting of the aftermath of the Battle of Valcour Island. |
Der Alte Fritz | 08 Jan 2014 9:09 a.m. PST |
If my math is correct, a 53ft boat at 1/56 scale works out to about 11-inches for the model. You need a fairly large table to play with a small squadron of these boats. As a resin model, it would be heavy and shipping would be expensive. I'm not sure that wargamers are willing to pay the price that such a model would have to sell for in order for the producer to make a modest profit. Maybe a resin caster, such as Acheson Creations would be interested in the modelling. As for figures, Fife & Drum will have to take a pass on this one. I will gladly cede that ground to the Perrys. |
historygamer | 08 Jan 2014 9:15 a.m. PST |
Bill N, you are correct, no Continental or British Marines on the lakes during this war. |
Supercilius Maximus | 08 Jan 2014 2:46 p.m. PST |
Staines Wargamers in the UK produced a Valcour Island game in 1/300 which was covered in an early Miniature Wargames (or possibly Wargames Illustrated). link [ click on "fire on the lake" ] |
Old Contemptibles | 08 Jan 2014 4:49 p.m. PST |
Richard Houston could probably make that boat for you, no problem. link |
Virginia Tory | 25 Feb 2014 7:18 a.m. PST |
>They must like all the fighting going out behind them, and >being in a small boat. Officers. Who can figure them? Maybe they are going to a morning staff meeting like we have at our events? |
historygamer | 25 Feb 2014 10:23 a.m. PST |
If that were the case the boat wouldn't have a rudder. :-) |
Royal Marine | 27 Feb 2014 3:20 p.m. PST |
And all because the Yanks didn't want to drink tea! |
historygamer | 28 Feb 2014 10:18 a.m. PST |
Oh, they were okay with the tea, just not the company supplying it. It undercut the profitable smuggling of Dutch tea. :-) |