napthyme | 23 Dec 2013 3:57 p.m. PST |
So I went there to see where else should I be posting product announcements to the internet, never been there before. I hardly got down the second page in the Misc discussion category when I found a thread about TMP. What did I see but terrible talk about Bill, our editors, the dawghouse, banned accounts, our group as a whole, Tango, Americans in general with more swear words then I could hear if I listened to Richard Prior for a month without stopping. and the worst part it was 72 PAGES LONG!!!!!! I do not ever remember us here at TMP posting any kind of a hate thread like this about the guys at Frothers. I have not seen that much whining and complaining since grade school. Apparently there is no one moderating that board at all. If that is the kind of people that forum attracts then I really don't need them as customers. I could never meet there expectations. |
Stosstruppen | 23 Dec 2013 4:02 p.m. PST |
Frothers is a bit more liberal when it comes to that kind of stuff. Not my cup of tea, but they have quite the following. |
evilcartoonist | 23 Dec 2013 4:03 p.m. PST |
Frothers is certainly full of blunt, abrasive, nasty, elitest, and unhappy people. On occasion, I find a nice gem of minis-related information amongst those threads, but not often enough to be a member of that forum. Too bad, because the yearly contest they run yields some lovely minis. (Granted, I've seen a few stinkers of people on this forum, too. But here, there can be consequences.) On the opposite end of the spectrum, I enjoy the Steve Dean forums- nothing but friendly folks there. |
napthyme | 23 Dec 2013 4:05 p.m. PST |
Steve Dean forums??? Never heard of them. can you post me a link? |
evilcartoonist | 23 Dec 2013 4:07 p.m. PST |
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SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER | 23 Dec 2013 4:28 p.m. PST |
The Frothers Facebook page is much nicer according to War Minister Crittumbo. |
Tin hat | 23 Dec 2013 4:41 p.m. PST |
Some people totally don't understand the humour of frothers. It must be an Atlantic cultural thing. They think it really is run by 'nasty unhappy' people but this couldn't be further from the truth. I suspect you went there wanting to be offended and were happy that you were so that you can run back here all superior and smugly report to everyone about those 'nasty' people. I'm a member of frothers too and the difference between the two sites (there and here) is obviously noticeable. Frothers is much more colourful and lively whereas here can be rather 'vanilla' at times with people tip toeing around trying not to upset anyone or trying to be uber PC. With Frothers you simply call a tit a tit, and (ahem) stirrer a stirrer and everyone knows where they stand. They are a great bunch but don't take anything they say to heart. I know it's a bit of a culture shock at first if you live in a sunny Jane Austen type bubble- especially after here, but don't be put off by the tone of the site. Think of it as being at the pub with your mates and taking the 'Pi55'. So lighten up a bit go on again and give as good as you get. I genuinely enjoy it and it never fails to make me laugh. Plus they don't have a 'needs more boobies page' That really is for juveniles
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FredNoris | 23 Dec 2013 4:43 p.m. PST |
Why even bring up that particular thread here? Trying to start something?!? |
morrigan | 23 Dec 2013 4:43 p.m. PST |
The Lead Adventure Forum is quite good as well. Some other forums seem to be where childish people on TMP go when they don't get their way here. |
Broadsword | 23 Dec 2013 4:48 p.m. PST |
Tried Frothers years ago; the signal to noise ratio was unappealing. YMMV. |
WeeSparky | 23 Dec 2013 5:01 p.m. PST |
I haven't been there much since the new layout took effect. |
evilcartoonist | 23 Dec 2013 5:11 p.m. PST |
LAF is my favorite of all the forums I'm a member of. |
Caesar | 23 Dec 2013 5:11 p.m. PST |
Frothers is an adult-only site. If strong language and friendly ribbing offend you then don't go there. There are genuinely passionate and helpful people over there. When was the last time you saw figures being sculpted for TMP charity drives, for example? There are also some bitter former TMPers and other rabble rousers. Their topics are easy to avoid. If you are the type of person who gets drawn to those topics and reads page after page then why complain? Your first visit there and you went straight-away to those threads and ignored the thousands of other non-controversial ones. And here you are posting on TMP with the same broad negative brush about Frothers that you claim offends you so much. What for? |
John the OFM | 23 Dec 2013 6:14 p.m. PST |
I went there a few years ago when someone sent me a link where they were talking about me. Immature s. I haven't been back. And please do not flatter them by calling it "adult". What precisely is "adult" about their behavior? Grown-up? Hardly. EDIT: "" is not caught by the Bleep-o-matic? I was fully expecting it to be. Remarkable. |
Wolfprophet | 23 Dec 2013 6:32 p.m. PST |
Quite in agreement with John. The TMP crowd is excellent. Has a few thin-skins, but still excellent. Easily favourite forum and good group of people. |
jtipp68 | 23 Dec 2013 6:49 p.m. PST |
I find it to be a refreshing change from the passive aggressive BS that dominates this board. There isn't a site around that has more highly skilled sculptors discussing the real ins and outs of this business. I also respect it as place where very highly skilled painters give honest critiques of work presented there. You can also learn quite about TMP there. If the profanity is too difficult to handle then you're best off staying here. The "F" word doesn't invalidate what's being discussed. The real reason why people like the OFM don't like it is because no one gives a about post counts there. Maybe when you go somewhere and think "what a bunch of douche bags", YOU'RE the douche bag. |
Twilight Samurai | 23 Dec 2013 6:51 p.m. PST |
Frothers, plenty of frank and fearless advice on what you can go do to yourself! No harm in a bit of that occasionally :P |
The Sentient Bean | 23 Dec 2013 7:05 p.m. PST |
You tend to get more miniatures related discussion on Frothers. I like to lurk in the scouting, sculpting and painting forums there. They are not tolerant of double posting ("Colonel") and are run by commitee and are less one-eyed than some forums out there. Go to the Lead Adventure forum to see a wonderful array of projects. The membership there is prolific. I guarantee that you will not have to ignore the 75% of the front page postings or roll eyes at the 50th news item about paper figures. |
Grand Dragon | 23 Dec 2013 7:12 p.m. PST |
Frothers is very funny and anarchic , as long as you don't take it too seriously. Also , if you read the 72 page topic all the way through , there are actually some interesting opinions on TMP in there. It's good to get a different opinion of things sometimes. |
John the OFM | 23 Dec 2013 7:16 p.m. PST |
The real reason why people like the OFM don't like it is because no one gives a Bleeped text about post counts there. No, it is because there was a very long thread devoted to insulting me, and I was not even aware of it. They had nothing better to waste their time on? If they are proud of their bad behavior, more power to them. It's basically little boys trying too hard to be naughty and being tiresome about it. |
Grand Dragon | 23 Dec 2013 7:19 p.m. PST |
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Cardinal Ximenez | 23 Dec 2013 7:35 p.m. PST |
EDIT: "Douchebag" is not caught by the Bleep-o-matic? I was fully expecting it to be. Remarkable. You mean I can stop using "lavage haversack" ? Awesome. Thanks John. DM |
jtipp68 | 23 Dec 2013 7:54 p.m. PST |
Insulting you here gets you dh'ed when you go complain to the editor. No one was talking behind your back there, it was there for everyone to see. |
John the OFM | 23 Dec 2013 8:06 p.m. PST |
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Murphy | 23 Dec 2013 8:09 p.m. PST |
Like OFM said
I have a friend of mine that occassionally sends me info when they are once again talking about me. Somehow or another, when I was posted some of my "Tales from Work" stories, one of the people in our office was the stereotypical "Goth chick", and she focused in a few stories
somehow or another I suddenly found myself accused of stalking her
which is weird because I never saw her outside of the office
but hey
they needed something to latch onto
.None of them ever thought about asking, they just assumed and so I was labelled a "stalker"
*smh* I have TMP and LAF, I don't think I have any reason, need, or want to have to visit frothers. |
morrigan | 23 Dec 2013 8:16 p.m. PST |
If you have such a low opinion of us jtipp68 you're free to push off. "Push" wasn't my first choice. Hey maybe I'd fit in at frothys. |
jtipp68 | 23 Dec 2013 8:22 p.m. PST |
I'm "free" to? You mean like how you enjoy TMP? Free? I'm a supporting member of this site, unlike you. So who is this "us" you speak of? |
Caesar | 23 Dec 2013 8:32 p.m. PST |
And please do not flatter them by calling it "adult". What precisely is "adult" about their behavior? Grown-up? Hardly. John, I didn't claim any particular maturity, afterall we are adults that play with toys. But it is not an environment for children. Also, you may recall that a certain segment of TMP posted quite a bit of trash about you (probably the same posters at Frothers) and yet you haven't disavowed this place or all the people here. |
morrigan | 23 Dec 2013 8:37 p.m. PST |
People who are tired of attitudes like the one you are displaying. Spending $25 USD doesn't buy you the right to be rude. |
Space Monkey | 23 Dec 2013 8:37 p.m. PST |
Frothers is hilarious and I do find good information there as well. Not too worried if the tea cozy crowd gets in a dither about some 'bad language'. LAF is very nice as well, not a much chaff there at all. |
LeadLair76 | 23 Dec 2013 8:48 p.m. PST |
I find frothers to be rather honest and often times funny. I also like that they don't pull their punches and tell you if your miniature or your paint job sucks. And seriously morrigan you don't even support the forums but you tell a supporting member to take a hike
.. priceless. |
jtipp68 | 23 Dec 2013 8:49 p.m. PST |
Rude? I guess calling one person a douche bag is much worse than calling a whole group of people douche bags. If you want to continue this in private, feel free to PM me
oh wait
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Just Jack | 23 Dec 2013 8:49 p.m. PST |
Once again we find ourselves talking about anything but wargaming. I'll try a re-direct: does anyone have any good scenarios for 1940 France at platoon or, preferably, company level? My forces aren't ready yet, but my birthday's coming and so I'm looking at some Pendraken to get'em done. I don't mind minor proxy-ing of tanks, as I can't afford to buy as many as I would like, with every model of tank available. So, if you were going to go for a good mix for the Germans, with around 12 total vehicles, what would you shoot for? Here's what I'm thinking: 2 Sdkfz 231 armored cars 2 Pz Mk IIs 3 Pz Mk IIIs (37mm) 2 Pz Mk IVs (short 75mm) 2 Stug III (short 75mm) 1 PzJag I I'm thinking if I did that, I could probably take them into Barbarossa as well. For Allies in France, what about: 3 R-35s 3 Somuas 2 Char Bs 3 Vickers Mk VI 2 Matilda IIs For Barbarossa, I figure: 3 BT-7s 3 T-26s 2 T-34s 2 KV-1s 2 BA-6 armored cars Please, I'd love to hear your opinions on if you think these would give me a good base of forces to play out company-sized operations, and, if not, what would be better. V/R, Jack |
morrigan | 23 Dec 2013 8:53 p.m. PST |
I thought you were trying to be clever, but I can see you really don't understand that use of the word "free". It means to be "at liberty to". It doesn't mean "it don't cost nuthin" :) I'm done with you now. Someone else can wind you up for a while
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jtipp68 | 23 Dec 2013 9:00 p.m. PST |
Don't flatter yourself. Internet exchanges don't "wind me up". |
McWong73 | 23 Dec 2013 9:02 p.m. PST |
Jack, get some 38t's, they really are an excellent choice and provide some variety for Jerry. Frothers is a laugh, they let of steam there with a bit more honesty but also ribald humor. Not a member, and for the whole package TMP is more useful. I may be wrong, but I suspect the internet is big enough for both sites. |
Just Jack | 23 Dec 2013 9:07 p.m. PST |
McWong, I like the Pz 38t's too, but what do I replace? If I recall correctly they were classed with the Pz III (bigger than Pz II, smaller than Pz IV), but I don't want to take Pz IIIs out as they were the (at least supposed to be) the backbone of the the Panzer divisions. V/R, Jack |
McWong73 | 23 Dec 2013 9:39 p.m. PST |
In 1940 there were more 38t than pz3 IIRC, at least for the invasion of France. I may well be wrong, but the 38t and the pz3 would be one or the other, not both in the same regt. If you are after variety then bulk up on armored cars they can be used anywhere for the duration of the war. |
(Leftee) | 23 Dec 2013 9:57 p.m. PST |
7th Division featured a lot of Pz38's (instead of the PzIII; and the 37mm didn't really last into Russia, but the Pz38 37mm did.You might want to go with either the Pz38 or the PzIIIg for Russia. In 1/72 you can't beat the Pegasus price for two of these beauts. (Don't know waht scale Pendraken are, sorry). Check out Fire and Fury's WWII website for some great OOB for both France and Russia given a breakdown of the vehicles in each company/platoon. Some used PzIII's in their medium companies, some Pz38 and a few had a mixing in of Pz35's. Add some Panhards to your German 7th Division and off to Russia you go! And I would go with the 222 or 232 lasted longer in service than the six wheel jobber. Your French R35's (and Pz38's) can also become Romanians. |
charared | 23 Dec 2013 10:22 p.m. PST |
Just created a slew of new "grays" as a result of the "froth" I've read here. Dear Editor/Zardoz
the Stifle is GOOD! (And Yuletide, Saturnalia and Christmas greetings to all the Deserving TMPers in cyberspace!) Charlie |
charared | 23 Dec 2013 10:33 p.m. PST |
"The Graying of TMP"
Old humps never die
They just "froth" away. Charlie |
napthyme | 23 Dec 2013 11:14 p.m. PST |
Well it appears I hit a few nerves with this post. Now I like a good swear as much as the next guy, but to swear at a specific person on another board that they do not own or probably frequent is just showing ones lack of maturity. If I have a personal problem with Bill or one of the editors I will either bring it up here or via PM, not badmouth them behind there back like a school child. What offended me was the fact that it was still going on 72 pages later and no one over there had the cahonies to lock the thread and stop any further posting to it. This thread will never see 7+ pages here much less 72, we have to much gaming related stuff to do to keep things going that long. No I did not read it all, I gave up after about 12 pages. As far as there annual figure for charity thing goes we can do that here as well. There is enough of us that know the in and outs of making figures that we can make that happen if Bill so chooses to do so. The problem is finding the charity that will not just spend it on more fund raising instead of helping someone in need. I think evilcartoonist summed it up best what goes on over there and as a businessman I have to be careful of who I associate with as it can reflect badly upon me as well. So if that is the forum where all the little boys who play with littler toys take there figures to when things do not go the way they want them to go. we will all know where to stay away from. |
goragrad | 24 Dec 2013 12:10 a.m. PST |
Went to Frothers way back (07-08?) when the big to do was on. Killed way too much time browsing the Bill/TMP bashing thread. Got bored and never went back. As noted by others, they seem to spend a bit much time discussing TMP
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KatieL | 24 Dec 2013 3:04 a.m. PST |
"There doesn't seem to be much there in terms of WWII." You are mistaking a forum full of wargamers for a forum about wargames. |
Fighting 15s | 24 Dec 2013 3:25 a.m. PST |
I do not ever remember us here at TMP posting any kind of a hate thread like this about the guys at Frothers.I have not seen that much whining and complaining since grade school. Apparently there is no one moderating that board at all. TMP assassinates its own instead. For instant, an over 300-post anti-Tango01 thread on the TMP Talk board, among many other similar threads about the same member. As Frothers pages are just 10 posts a time, and TMP pages are 50 posts long, that TMP hate fest corresponds to a 31-page Frothers thread. I can't remember how long the anti-John the OFM threads were, but TMP is certainly capable, within the framework of expletives being deleted, forum rules and moderation, repeat capable, of being an equally unpleasant environment full of serial whingers. The difference is in the presentation. The Frothers thread remains one huge, pustulent boil. TMP, with its vanishing post syndrome, serves up repeat outbreaks of pimples from members who cannot let a subject lie. |
moonfleetminis | 24 Dec 2013 3:32 a.m. PST |
Frothers is what it is. visited a few years ago, didn't find anything interesting so havnt been back. |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 24 Dec 2013 3:36 a.m. PST |
I have not seen that much whining and complaining since grade school. on TMP? Priceless. LMFAO.
yes the language is rough, yes they take the mickey out of here, quite often justified and unless you are not one of the chest thumping USA USA Bills house Bills rules, Bill cannot do any wrong, then you'll hate Frothers, LAF and anywhere that isn't TMP where everything is nice and cosey and no one argues – oh hang on. Still, lets hate Frothers, cos, well, they are different and not like us and mummy they said bad words and called me a name and said my painting looked like it was done by an colour blind chimp in the dark using a wallpaper brush, oh they are all so mean there. USA USA USA. and mickey taking over. Merry Christmas all. |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 24 Dec 2013 3:41 a.m. PST |
'This is not a knock against them, I was just disappointed to see such relatively (compared to TMP) little activity.' 50% of the activity on here (if not more) is Tango's posts. Each to their own on the quality and content of them. |
Tin hat | 24 Dec 2013 3:56 a.m. PST |
On frothers- I have not seen that much whining and complaining since grade school. Yeah I know! Incredible. I have no idea what a grade school means but that just made me laugh too! |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 24 Dec 2013 3:56 a.m. PST |
Anyway, all of the sites have their good and bad points. Frothers – off putting language seems childish and nasty to some, sometimes difficult to get past to see the good stuff going on. lots of pics of boobies – not warned in advance. It's not American (this is a bad thing for some) LAF – at times too polite about people's work when some critique would help the painter. TMP – as LAF for talking about paintjobs (and the unholy love of the dip method), too many boards and too much waffle posted. Dated look. Silly post count and stifle counts. Too many big egos. Good points LAF – amazing projects ongoing on there often, pretty active (based on the boards I follow) TMP – aside from the sometimes random scatter-gun new topics posting by certain people, pretty active with some good stuff (based on the boards I read), no swearing. Frothers – lots of key people from the industry there, giving advice and showing off new stuff (which is then cut n pasted onto here), some exceptional painters showing off their work and offering help, discussing techniques. You can say it how it is. Different strokes for different folks. I still enjoy the sci-fi boards here,( when I can sort through the daily carp about anything and everything tat is posted anywhere and everywhere, to find what is new,) I used to mainly come back to read Carique's threads as he posts(ed) some great stuff. |