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Tyler32612 Dec 2013 12:56 p.m. PST

I just got done reading Caesar Triumphant which is a "what if " story. Caesar escapes death and goes on to invade Japan.Bit more to the story but you get the idea. Has anyone evey considered gaming this scenario?

kallman12 Dec 2013 2:26 p.m. PST

The thing is that Japan circa 49-44 BCE would not be Samurai. The culture and technology that would create that era would not come into being until much later. Therefore, if you are looking to wargame this scenario I am not sure what figures you would use to represent Japanese in classical times. This assumes that the Romans finally found a way to deal with the Parthians. The Romans never did develop effective methods of dealing with horse archers and the cataphrats. Of course the terrain of Parthia's empire also played to the advantage of the hit and run tactics employed by the Parthians. Assuming that Caesar and the Roman Senate and people where willing a conquest of Parthia would then lead to a head to head with the Indians and then Chinese. China at this time is full into the Han Dynasty and had an effective military and bureaucracy and vast resources at its disposal. Even given a Caesarian Roman veteran force that had managed to beat the Parthians, Indians, and all of the other peoples that might object, I just do not see the Han Chinese not making life hellish for the Romans. If the Romans had managed that then Japan would have been a cake walk.

Still it is an interesting counter factual.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine13 Dec 2013 3:19 a.m. PST

Why Japan? Surely a proper invasion of Britain or Germany or even heading south into Africa would all make more senece? I like a good "what if" but I have to be able to suspend my disbelief.

Caesar13 Dec 2013 10:10 a.m. PST

Didn't Xena fight some samurai and Julius Caesar?

Caliban Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2013 3:14 a.m. PST

There is the persistent story of a small Han expeditionary contingent oasis-hopping westward but stopping because of reports about Romans further along the way – perhaps Pompey's forces in the wars against Mithradates.

Somewhat more likely than Caesareans in what later became Japan?

Royal Marine15 Dec 2013 8:24 a.m. PST

Or send him to the Americas to fight the 'Injuns

Lion in the Stars15 Dec 2013 2:06 p.m. PST

Actually, Khurasan has a line of Yayoi period (ca 500BC-300AD) Japanese that would be appropriately armed. link

But I can't see Caesar making it that far. He would have run into the Chinese first, assuming that he made it through the Taklamakan and Gobi deserts. Or, if he went more southerly, he'd have to make it through the Indians, the Tibetans, the Thai, Viet, and then through the Chinese.

So put me down for Caesarian Romans versus Han Chinese for a most-plausible what-if.

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