"South Korea Declares Expanded ADIZ" Topic

Not wanting to be left out, South Korea has also declared an expanded Air Defense Identification Zone, which overlaps with the one declared by China, and covers an "underwater rock" in the area:

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Looks like things are getting even more interesting in the Asia Pacific region, so now you can add another player to your air force skirmishes.

As Japan declared its own ADIZ over the same area 3 years ago, this makes 3.

China and SK are playing catch-up with Japan here. As the Republic of China also has dibs on those rocks, I wonder if they will be following suit? Of if the USA will inform ANY of them if it wants to take some B52s for a stroll through the area?

The difference of course is that the Senkakus have been owned by a private Japanese entity until Japan purchased it 3 years ago, making it part of Japan's national territory. Which is why Japan extended the zone in the first place.

China's extension is a provocation. I don't know enough about the South Korean situation except to assume it is intended to head China off at the pass.

Maybe the USA should use those B52's to sink the underwater rocks. That way no one could squabble over the underwater rocks. Oh, wait…

Russia, NK and others will probably follow soon.

The difference of course is that the Senkakus have been owned by a private Japanese entity until Japan purchased it 3 years ago, making it part of Japan's national territory. Which is why Japan extended the zone in the first place.

No, the Japanese claimed the Senkakus back in 1894 or 5. The Senkakus were administratively part of Ryuukyu Prefecture (AKA Okinawa), and so were under US control from 1945 until 1972, when the US returned control of Ryuukyu Prefecture to Japan.

In the 1950s and early 1960s, the official PRC and Taiwan ROC maps noted that the Senkaku Islands were Japanese territory.

It wasn't until major petroleum deposit was discovered around the Senkakus that the PRC and Taiwan started asserting a territorial claim.

I find it interesting that Taiwan appears to have been more interested in access to the fishing grounds than the petroleum, as Taiwan has come to an agreement with the Japanese government regarding Taiwanese permission to fish around the Senkakus.

I am declaring my own ADIZ. It overlaps with many others like a Venn diagram.

@ Warlock and Lion,
The Japanese government only purchased the Daiyoutai/ Senkaku Islands last year, 2012:
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The unilateral extension of the Japanese ADIZ took place in 2010 so it has nothing to do with the purchase.

Cheers,
Bertie

And the fun continues …

The negotiations stretch back a decade or so before the purchase and the extension was part of that process. I was in Kyoto when the extension happened.

Yea, from what I've been able to read on the issue, China only got interested in the Senkakus after they figured out they were rich in oil, gas, and fish, in the offshore waters there.

So, apparently they're interested in a resource grab, and trying to get some payback against the Japanese is just a bonus.

'So, apparently they're interested in a resource grab, and trying to get some payback …'

I agree entirely. This is about first, resources, and second national pride. I am hoping that the latter does not end up wagging the dog here. The resource equation is quite rational. Stirring up nationalist sentiment is a dangerous business.

@Bertie: Yes, I know when the Japanese government bought the islands from the family that had owned them since 1900. I was in Japan when the purchase happened.

Those islands had been formally annexed as Japanese territory back in 1895, the same time (but not in the same CLAIMS) as the First Sino-Japanese War. In 1900, a family moved onto the islands and started a fish processing plant (making dried bonito). The business failed in 1940, and the islands have been uninhabited since.

That an island is owned by a private citizen does NOT mean the island is not any nation's territory. There is STILL a national territorial claim on the land, regardless of what individual or corporation owns it!

As part of the surrender treaty at the end of WW2, the US had administrative control of Okinawa for 25 years. As part of that control, the US Navy used one of the islands in the Senkakus as a bombing and gunnery range.

When the US gave control of the whole chain of islands back to Japan, the Senkakus were part of that. Again, Japanese territory even though most of the islands were privately owned.

And again, in the 1950s and early 1960s, the official maps and charts released by the People's Republic of China and the Taiwan ROC both indicated the Senkaku islands to be Japanese.

I have modified some Barnes & Noble drones and declared my own ADIZ over my home.

I have an operational drone as well, and declare the continental USA, as well as Canada to be in my expanded ADIZ, so you have been warned.

Now, if I can only figure out how to get some little rockets under the wings, to deal with any interlopers' drones, and other aircraft, like Cyrus', and others, who are intruding into "my" space."

Hmmmmmm, probably time to buy fresh batteries for it.

The USA already has an ADIZ covering the continental USA and Canada. I hope you have a plan to deal with the B-52s.

@Lion,
I don't dispute any of the Japanese version, but whether it will stand up or not, like the Falklands/Malvinas claims, is not for us to decide.
I was merely pointing out that the Japanese ADIZ was extended two years before the islands were bought, and not as a result of the purchase. I was in China when the purchase happened.
Just trying to keep the facts straight.
Cheers,
Bertie

I do.

I'm going to wait them out, until they rust, or all develop stress fracture cracks, from overuse, and are retired.

Then, I shall declare victory over North America!

Let them dispute that.

My claim is certainly as valid as any others recently, though perhaps not supportable by the latest state of the art aircraft. However, I believe that my not wasting precious, limited funds on useless hardware, gives me an edge, in the long run.

It would be nice to have a printing press too, though. Perhaps I shall need to contact someone in Bolivia about that.

Maybe the USA should use those B52's to sink the underwater rocks. That way no one could squabble over the underwater rocks. Oh, wait…

Sadly it's not the rocks that has everyone in an uproar. It's the possibility that there might be fossil fuels and other useful materials UNDER them that's the problem.

We could solve the whole problem by letting BP drill there and pump the oil directly out into the ocean. No disputes over fishing rights!

BP always knew someone would evidently value their business experience!