"Does Tango01 participate in threads?" Topic

Just wondering about him. I see all the stuff he posts as topics but does he ever chime in on someone else's thread with a comment?

yawn

Why don't you do a search under author and see for yourself?

He usually replies back on his own posts. Don't know about other folks posts off-hand.

PLEASE Let's not go there. We just one big flame out over Tango. Can't we at least wait few months before we have another?

I've seen him respond in other's threads, but it is very infrequent.

Looks like there's a concerted campaign being waged against Tango at the moment. These constant new threads are pushing much more interesting articles off the main page, and forcing us to wade through threads which are nothing short of a personal attack on a member of TMP and not wargame related.

Maybe the editor should set up an entirely separate board for those who want to persecute the guy. Then they can go and comfort each other without annoying the majority of the membership who simply wants to enjoy the site without getting involved in a witch hunt.

glad you like it (smile)

Well regarding Tango debating threads- If you don't like them don't click on them.

Nobody is breaking any rules.

Well those are the facts I gathered from the last 'debate'

Sorry Joe I have edited as my original message wasn't clear.

Agreed. Reminds of that line from 'A Few Good Men': "These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed".

Ah, understood.

WHO CARES!?!

His diverse postings have started many, many discussions. Most of which are relevant to wargaming, and others like this one are more like what you'd find in my daughter's teener magazines. "Did you hear what the lead singer from One Direction said about Barbara Streisand?" "Did you see that Kanye West kissed two different girls on the same night?"

WHO CARES!?!

Show us on the monitor where the bad man posted about toys in a way that you didn't like.

There are real problems and injustices in the world, yet Tango's posting habits seem to be an obsession to some here.

There are real problems and injustices in the world, yet Tango's posting habits seem to be an obsession to some here.

I think it goes beyond obsession for some.

Personally the attacks on a forum member do far more to put me off TMP than anything else.

Are you saying some form of censorship is needed then?

well said, tin hat ! :)

que chatice…

McBride, I did search before making this post and found nothing but those he authored. Sorry to have offended you. BTW I have picked up 6 new stifles since making this post. If you did do one of them then you wont see this apology.

Cuchulain, I did not make this thread as an attack on Tango01. All the recent posts about him made me wonder. I don't always care for his multiple posts but so what. More often than not I find interesting things in his posts.

To the TMP membership in general, Give it a rest. Tango isn't hurting anything.

I believe what a number of people are objecting to is not that he posts but the fact he posts alot on everything under the sun everyday.

You are fanning the flames while telling others to 'give it a rest'???

79thPA

OK, maybe I am. Poor judgement on my part.

Looks like there's a concerted campaign being waged against Tango at the moment.

Probably the Frothers having their bit of fun again.

Tango has in fact become a regular topic himself now.

During the last 'skirmish' one thing that was said over and over again was if you don't like his posts do not open them, don't 'whine' ignore them, and move on.

There is no rule to stop any person being talked about on here. Very much the contrary: persons both living and dead make up a lot of topics. As long as it stays civil no rule has been broken.

Well we can't have it both ways.

As no rule has been broken You either have to allow both topics by him and about him or Edit both topics by him or about him. Everyone is quite free to start as many civil topics in the right sections regarding him as they wish. Those that do not wish to read them simply stifle the poster or ignore them.

This is what I understand the TMP posting rules to be.

Probably the Frothers having their bit of fun again.

Are you saying the anti-Tango posters are Frothers?

Does it matter?

This has crossed into Bullying imo. It is rude and childish. Armand is a very nice fellow.

There is no rule to stop any person being talked about on here.

There are rules about personal attacks though, and call him a 'spam-bot' and his supporters 'imbeciles' seems like it would qualify.
These anti-Tango threads are bullying. Though Tango seems to be tough enough to stand up to them.

Viva Tango!

Helpful:

Mr Canuck 04 Dec 2013 10:14 a.m. PST
He usually replies back on his own posts. Don't know about other folks posts off-hand.

Rrobbyrobot 04 Dec 2013 10:23 a.m. PST
I've seen him respond in other's threads, but it is very infrequent.

Tin hat 04 Dec 2013 10:46 a.m. PST
Well regarding Tango debating threads- If you don't like them don't click on them.

Nobody is breaking any rules.

Not helpful:

badwargamer 04 Dec 2013 10:08 a.m. PST
yawn

David McBride 04 Dec 2013 10:13 a.m. PST
Why don't you do a search under author and see for yourself?

zoneofcontrol 04 Dec 2013 10:53 a.m. PST
WHO CARES!?!
"…like this one are more like what you'd find in my daughter's teener magazines. "Did you hear what the lead singer from One Direction said about Barbara Streisand?" "Did you see that Kanye West kissed two different girls on the same night?"

Caesar 04 Dec 2013 11:11 a.m. PST
Show us on the monitor where the bad man posted about toys in a way that you didn't like.

There are real problems and injustices in the world, yet Tango's posting habits seem to be an obsession to some here.

Brian Smaller 04 Dec 2013 11:25 a.m. PST

There are real problems and injustices in the world, yet Tango's posting habits seem to be an obsession to some here.
I think it goes beyond obsession for some.

PiersBrand 04 Dec 2013 11:30 a.m. PST
Personally the attacks on a forum member do far more to put me off TMP than anything else.

Ridiculous Hyperbole:

Cuchulainn 04 Dec 2013 10:36 a.m. PST
Looks like there's a concerted campaign being waged against Tango at the moment. These constant new threads are pushing much more interesting articles off the main page, and forcing us to wade through threads which are nothing short of a personal attack on a member of TMP and not wargame related.

I haven't quite got my mind made up regarding the Honorable Mr. Editor's post. It doesn't sound helpful, but perhaps that's due to my igorance.

What's a "Frother?" It doesn't sound good.

I disagree with Mr. Tango's non-wargaming, political spam from RealClearPolitics. Does that make me a "Frother," and, if so, is that a personal attack? I ask because some of us are confused as to what constitutes a personal attack…

I'm sure Mr. Editor is trying to add a bit of levity, but if you look at the posts above you can see us inmates have clearly lost our minds regarding this topic (myself included; I'm like an addict, I can't stay away). We certainly seem to be having a rough time…

V/R,
Jack

the old saying "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down".

its fascinating when you consider that our reactions to a specific member's behavior[s] tells much more about us than it does about him.

I too must remind myself daily:
1. Don't take things personally
2. Don't make assumptions
3. Be impeccable with my word
4. Do my best.

I fail everyday. But I can usually score above zero.

Personally the attacks on a forum member do far more to put me off TMP than anything else.

This.
All the claims of people abandoning TMP because of an enthusiastic poster are shallow, but people seeing a hostile environment where members are allowed to attack others (over petty matters, no less) is a serious concern to anyone here.

Amen Caesar. I am appalled by the behavior of these people. All I can say is that I am glad they are not in my personal gaming circle

Wow that's weird, given what _is_ being discussed on Frothers.

Dear Tango01,
Thank you for taking the time and interest to post to TMP.
I for one appreciate your efforts.

I enjoy Tango's posts, and yes, he does participate some, and even respond to queries.

I enjoy his contributions to TMP, but apparently, a small minority don't.

@ Just Jack: lol… So you don't do irony or sarcasm in Texas? :o)

Brian Smaller 04 Dec 2013 11:25 a.m. PST

There are real problems and injustices in the world, yet Tango's posting habits seem to be an obsession to some here.
I think it goes beyond obsession for some.

Actually, I only wrote the line "I think it goes beyond obsession for some". The rest was a quote from someone else's comment.

Who cares .

Personally I find nothing wrong with Tango's Posts. If something he posts doesn't interest me I don't bother reading it. If it does interest me I read it. I see it as a win, win situation. I would hate to see us lose a prolific poster like him to some misguided people who feel a need to complain about something insignificant. If I recall correctly there where a number of individuals who complained about another Miniatures Page member who had a passion for posting about all things prehistoric. People like this can enrich the discussion of the hobby and also inspire us to move in new directions.
Just my two cents worth.
Cheers.
GeorgeD

Just Jack,
Why precisely is my post unhelpful? There is a perfectly good search function the initial poster could have used if his initial post was an honest query? If it was a thinly veiled attack, then I see no need to be very helpful.

Hi,
If anyone bothered to read Frothers you'd see they couldn't care less about the Tango debate apart from have a good laugh about it. The whole issue has been caused by a real problem and the concerns of real members, who I feel have been let down by the editorial board. The problem has been simmering for sometime and has now boiled over as even former moderates like me feel the need to speak.
Are people leaving TMP over this ( one way or another)? Yes, I think they are or they're certainly not spending as much time here. I'm not the only person I know who finds TMP to be less than what it was and who is spending less time on the site. Although I've been a supporting member several times in the past, I would never consider taking out supporting membership again. I can go to other forums where the Tango problem would never be allowed to happen instead.
Yours,
George.

I've been wasting more time on here due to the debates which I felt was important to air. I dont think it was a concerted attack its just people like to discuss issues. Similar things happen in real life as well.

I intend to spend less time in future as due to time zones I only get lunchtimes and about an hour after work to read TMP. So time spent on here is brief so I want to use it to my best advantage. I also turned off every board that is not important to me in an effort to create more space on the front page.

I thought I'd propose a new nick-name for TMP. "The Moaning Page", sorry I thought it was funny at least.

To answer the OP's thread, there was a post regarding Argentine sniper rifles in The Falklands. Armand posted to this and there was a back and forth where Armand provided insight into his own experiences there. I thought that I had found a photo of Armand in the Falklands but it turned out to be someone else.

So, to answer your question, yes…he has at least once.

I like pie

Tango01,

I am really very sorry to have started this thread. Please accept my apology. I did not intend to start an attack on you. Stupid on my part not to see what I thought was an innocent question about a person who has turned into a big name on TMP

This has crossed into Bullying imo. It is rude and childish. Armand is a very nice fellow.

Well said!

I for one am fed up with these constant treads disrespecting Tango.

Please leave my cousin alone. He provides a valuable service to TMP.

Allen57, no problem in your case. Others have not been as innocent.

Cuchulainn- I do plenty of sarcasm, seems to have gotten me plenty of negative attention here lately. If I missed yours, I apologize, there hasn't been a lot of nuance flying around.

Brian Smaller- Okay. I put the deal together to show what I believe is an overreaction to a post. What I mean is, Allen57 asks a question, and unless he's done something to indicate otherwise, I'm inclined to believe he did it in good faith. But then somehow we get to the point of some internet postings being declared the end of civilization, and I think it's going a bit too far. That, plus the hardening of edges (on both sides) and internet tough-guy syndrome that comes when those sorts of accusations start flying.

I apologize as I'm conflating a few of the threads now (as there have been several revolving around the topic of Mr. Tango), but when it started I really thought there was a solution to be had if certain folks could just keep from coming in with stuff like "grow a pair," "stop being a whiner," "why do we have to talk about this," "why do you hate Tango," etc…

David McBride – If it was a thinly veiled attack, I agree, there's no reason to be helpful, but (and I certainly could have missed it) I don't recall seeing any posts by Allen57 in the several furballs floating around right now about Mr. Tango, and so I didn't see any reason for him to be treated like that. If someone is acting in good faith and asks what 2+2 is, I tell him "4," not "go get a math book." It all gets to the tone of how things can rapidly degenerate around here, and it doesn't have to be that way.

Like I said earlier, when McWong posted his thread, I read it and thought, "wow, this is polite, speaks directly to the issue, and stands a good chance of opening a channel of communication which might actually solve something." But before that could ever happen there were guys on both sides piping in with their versions of "Tango sucks" and "Tango's the greatest."

Even then I tried to stay out of it, but I must admit a certain weakness that breaks down my discipline in a heartbeat: internet heroism, particularly in service of a straw-man cause/argument. I really love the guys that are pretending they just stopped three rounds meant for Tango, and have halted the march of book-burners and Gestapo death squads bent on curbing certain folks' posting. But I digress…

Gattamalatta- "…the simplest solution, the least controversial option, would be to have the posters' names displayed on topics no longer on the front page." Actually, I believe Grey Panda's concept of 'threads started by the stifled don't show up on the front page' is the best solution to this particular problem.

Everyone- What is a Frother? And please, someone tell me to Google it ;)

For what it's worth, I wish I never opened McWong's post (nothing against him, his post was great, my issue is with myself and the path I took); I wish I'd never read all the posts in that thread, and I most of all wish I didn't post to it, and keep posting, and post in the follow-ons. In the end I just feel like a fool for getting sucked into internet fights (again, internet tough-guy syndrome!), and I regret the y attitude I took in a most of my posts.

So, some folks think Tango's posts are great, some think they're not, we've argued about it, and nothing will change. I'm not happy with what I think is spam, but it's not my site, and the Editor is just fine with it (check the "Modern Forum Discussion Reminder" thread), so it's a done deal. Regarding Tango, I will post no more forever.

I really just want to get back to talking about wargaming. So head over to the Modern Batreps section and take a look at my French Foreign Legion vs. Islamic Insurgents, or go to the WWII Batreps section and check out (from about a month ago) my All-Americans batreps. Anything but this… ;)

V/R,
Jack

@ Jack
wd3.org.uk/index.php

The answer my friend Allen57 is yes, I participate.
Not at the same level as I post new threads, but I did it.
I always thanks to those people who enjoyed my threads.
No harm here, but you know, when you start any new thead pointing the name of one of your fellow member, it became usually as a big battlefield and stifles are in the corner (smile).
Those days are the hartest I remember since I joint the forum.
Not Xmast spirit around here (big smile).

Amicalement
Armand

Ochoinlight,

Sorry to be so thick, but I'm still not sure I understand. So, "Frothers" are folks that inhabit the WD3 board? I mean, is that it? I looked through their four (4) pages of posts and didn't see anything too controversial. Do they have a history of shenanigans here?

I will say that it looks like I recognized quite a few of the names from here, Pendraken Forum, and BKC/CWC/FWC forum. If we call them "Frothers," what to do they call us?

Is the Editor saying the "Frothers" are the ones taking the shots at Tango? Why would the "Frothers" care about Mr. Tango's posting on TMP? Maybe it's some sort of intramural sport between rival wargaming forums? Kinda sorry I asked ;)

Thanks for the help.

V/R,
Jack