Glengarry5 | 02 Dec 2013 1:54 p.m. PST |
I've seen the 47 Ronin with Keenu Reeves commercial on TV and to my relief it appears to have next to nothing to do with the orginial events. It appears to take place in Middle Earth. |
darthfozzywig | 02 Dec 2013 2:24 p.m. PST |
I still don't get the title. I get name recognition, but that doesn't apply here. Not favorably, anyway. Most people have never heard/heard of the 47 Ronin. The vast majority of people who will recognize the title will despise the film version. |
Dr Mathias | 02 Dec 2013 2:27 p.m. PST |
I saw it a couple hours ago. I am saddened. |
ZULUPAUL | 02 Dec 2013 3:10 p.m. PST |
Looks like another "300" disaster |
Muncehead | 02 Dec 2013 3:32 p.m. PST |
I dunno – any one that enjoyed 300 will probably like it
.. oh
. that's me! Looks suitably graphic novel..ly and fun. |
The Tin Dictator | 02 Dec 2013 3:45 p.m. PST |
Just look at how well The Thin Red Line worked to get that name (phrase)recognition. Then came 300 and its historical accuracy. I'm sure 47 Ronin will be right along those same logical lines. Hollywood is teaching all of us a valuable history lesson. One movie at a time. At least Keanu Reaves will make a convincing Japanese warrior. Even with a So-Cal accent.
.. sarcasm aside
. I will probably watch it next month when it comes out on cable regardless of my reservations. I'm that fickle. |
Saber6 | 02 Dec 2013 4:27 p.m. PST |
I take it for the DnD movie it is |
Mako11 | 02 Dec 2013 5:22 p.m. PST |
Based upon the trailer I saw, looks to be appalling, as predicted. Perhaps if you take enough "medical marijuana" beforehand, it might be survivable. I'll pass. |
doug redshirt | 02 Dec 2013 5:30 p.m. PST |
Be interesting to see how it does it Japan. The "47 Ronin" is the number one most filmed story in Japan, more movies have been made about that story then any subject in Japan. I was trying to figure out how a Westerner was going to fit in the story and was not liking the possibilities. Now with it being a fantasy story, I some how have no problem being okay with it. |
Norman D Landings | 02 Dec 2013 5:33 p.m. PST |
'300' was remarkably accurate to it's source material. Which was a comic book. I mean, amazingly accurate
shot-for-shot staging, line-for-line dialogue, effects, lighting and colour palette exactly replicating the comic's artwork. I don't have a problem with the latest version of 47 Ronin having a fantasy twist. Changing, adapting and fictionalizing the story is an integral part of the whole Chushingura phenomenon. I'd put the various retellings of the 47 Ronin story up there with Robin Hood and Spaghetti Westerns – historical setting, rather than historical events. CGI monsters, though? Meh. Just makes me miss Ray Harryhausen even more. |
darthfozzywig | 02 Dec 2013 6:23 p.m. PST |
'300' was remarkably accurate to it's source material.Which was a comic book. True! |
Glengarry5 | 02 Dec 2013 6:34 p.m. PST |
American cartoonist Stan Sakai has recently finished a "comic book" adaptation of the story of the 47 Ronin which is true to the story. It being a comic book says nothing about it's historical accuracy. |
Bravo Two Zero | 02 Dec 2013 6:58 p.m. PST |
what makes something historically accurate? history is interpretation to tell a story. youtube 47 Ronin and start picking other than the trailers a few in you get some crazy old school kung fu movies. great waste of 2 hours |
Mardaddy | 02 Dec 2013 8:06 p.m. PST |
STAN SAKAI!! I have not heard that name since
Groo the Wanderer! Not like I am/was a big comic book guy anyways, but – I did collect Groo back at his genesis and
well
I know that name! *beams* *then realizes how much geek is actually showing* |
Garand | 02 Dec 2013 8:45 p.m. PST |
I think the movie looks like it will be cool. It is a different interpretation of the source material
one with a distinct fantasy twist. I have seen the "original" historical interpretation many, many times. I personally look forward to a different twist on a story I am already familiar with, sort of like when Romeo & Juliet is cast with a more modern setting, or setting Beowulf in space. Or for that matter King Lear or MacBeth in medieval Japanese settings? Do these changes in the story make them any less valid (recasting Shakespere into more modern settings is an old tradition, and a significant portion of Akira Kurosawa's filmography wouldn't exist without his reinterpretation of SHakespere for his Japanese audience)?\ Personally I will watch it with an open mind. Damon. |
Glengarry5 | 02 Dec 2013 11:26 p.m. PST |
It might be fun if you ignore the title. Incidentially, I would heartily recommend Stan Sakia's long running series, Usagi Yojimbo, inspired by Japanese history, mythology and Samurai movies. |
Graycat | 03 Dec 2013 12:30 a.m. PST |
Garand 02 Dec 2013 7:45 p.m. PST I think the movie looks like it will be cool. It is a different interpretation of the source material
one with a distinct fantasy twist. I have seen the "original" historical interpretation many, many times. I personally look forward to a different twist on a story I am already familiar with, sort of like when Romeo & Juliet is cast with a more modern setting, or setting Beowulf in space. Or for that matter King Lear or MacBeth in medieval Japanese settings? So we should look for Magnificent 7 or Battle Beyond the Stars? (or whatever the '7 samurai' one with the kangaroos was). It does look cool. |
saltflats1929 | 03 Dec 2013 12:43 a.m. PST |
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XRaysVision | 03 Dec 2013 8:18 a.m. PST |
Being a fan of samurai movies, I look at the treatment of this movie a simple modernization and westernization of the natural propensity to surround reality with myth. This is a point that is often missed when talking about "300". "300" is a tribute to the graphic novel of the same title. The graphic novel, itself, is a tribute to the 1962 movie,"The 300 Spartans", which inspired Frank Miller as a child. Additionally, the story in the "300" movie and graphic novel is in the form of a inspirational tale being told by the narrator to the troops. This accounts of the fantastical creatures and larger than life characters. There is a point being made about how the young Frank Miller and, indeed, all of us grow myths around our memories. So, "300" is much more than a bunch of special effects and on-screen monsters in a herioc tale. It's a commentary about how we perceive, remember, and relate things that influencee us. I will withhold judgement of "47 Ronin" until I've seen it. The question will not be what historical inaccuracies I can find. Rather, my question will be whether it is a good westernized/modernized pastiche of the manner in which Japanese history is mythologized
that and whether it has kick-butt action. ;-) |
ancientsgamer | 03 Dec 2013 10:34 a.m. PST |
I am sorry, now which Hollywood movies are historically accurate? Why does everybody expect accuracy when the past has shown otherwise? Can we not just enjoy the movie? Arguing over bricoles, this general wasn't there, this uniform is all wrong, etc. misses the forest for the trees. The facts are that a movie is being made BASED on something. Enjoy it for what it is. If you don't like it, fine. But 100% accuracy doesn't even happen with history books; there is always something wrong. Regarding the 300 Spartans, we do know that more than Spartans were there, right? Kind of demeans the others that helped guard the rear doesn't it? Would I like to see a movie that is 100% accurate? Probably not and my reasoning is that dialog has to be made up for the movie to flow properly and yes, entertain! The predominate audience for any movie is not a group of amateur historians. If it was, they wouldn't make money or they would be documentaries :-) Would I like to see them get most facts correct? Sure, I think it would add rather than detract. But if are watching Pearl Harbor and noticing that the Zero is not quite the right variant, etc., we aren't focusing on the "big picture". |
XRaysVision | 03 Dec 2013 10:47 a.m. PST |
acientsgamer, I think you're right on. These movies are made for entertaining people, not educating them. If they advertise themselves as documentaries then it's fair to unload both historical barrels. However, counting buttons or even expecting that there are buttons to be counted in an entertainment movie is like complaining that a comedy didn't make you weep. That people are passing judgement on any movie based on a 60 second trailer with simply emphasizes the action moments and SFX simple makes no sense. Of course we are talking within a group of gamers who habitually pass judgement on rules before they're published
just sayin' |
CmdrKiley | 03 Dec 2013 12:35 p.m. PST |
When I first saw the movie trailer, I was bracing myself expecting to hear Keanu Reeves say: "I know Kung Fu." |
Henrix | 03 Dec 2013 1:37 p.m. PST |
I got to know something valuable from this thread: Stan Sakai has made a 47 ronin comic. I now have another entry on my Christmas wish list.
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Lion in the Stars | 04 Dec 2013 10:31 a.m. PST |
However, counting buttons or even expecting that there are buttons to be counted in an entertainment movie is like complaining that a comedy didn't make you weep. A good comedy will make you weep, though. Laugh so hard you cry! Stan Sakai has made a 47 ronin comic. hardcover compilation releases on March 4, 2014. Guess who's putting that on his birthday wishlist! |