"New Ships at War Artisan's Workshop" Topic
15 Posts
All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.
Remember that you can Stifle members so that you don't have to read their posts.
For more information, see the TMP FAQ.
Back to the Renaissance Discussion Message Board Back to the Age of Sail Message Board
Areas of InterestRenaissance 18th Century Napoleonic 19th Century
Featured Hobby News Article
Featured Ruleset
Featured Workbench Article
Featured Profile ArticleThe gates of Old Jerusalem offer a wide variety of scenario possibilities.
|
Please sign in to your membership account, or, if you are not yet a member, please sign up for your free membership account.
War Artisan | 30 Nov 2013 3:53 p.m. PST |
Since I'm still waiting to hear about the establishment of the much-needed "Fighting Sail" board, I'll have to post this announcement in the two next closest boards (even though it doesn't fit particularly well into either of them). There'll be a news item up sometime sometime on the Main Page, but in the meantime I thought some of the denizens of these boards would enjoy a heads-up: The first four kits in the 1:600 Anglo-Dutch series are now available from War Artisan's Workshop. They include ships of 28, 32, 44, and 64 guns which, with the 54-gun free sample, should provide enough of a variety to get naval gamers started. I'll be starting a second batch of four models right after the holidays with one "named" ship from each navy (yet to be determined) and a couple more generics.
One of the models (like the free sample) is a "named" ship, or model of a specific historical vessel, while the others are generic types with alternative parts included so that they can be built as different ships of the same rate. You can see photos of the first ships in the series on my Flickr page at link Or go directly to the website and look at the catalogue: link Regards, Jeff |
1ngram | 30 Nov 2013 4:50 p.m. PST |
Forgive my ignorance but when built how long are these ship models? We've been using "Fire As She Bears" and movement octogons for a while now with 18thC ships but we would like to try the Dutch Wars period. What rfules would you recommend? |
War Artisan | 30 Nov 2013 5:02 p.m. PST |
when built how long are these ship models? When built as 1:600, they run from about 50mm to about 80mm long. However, being cardstock models, they can be resized to other scales . . . with the caveat that printing them much larger will reduce the graphic quality and printing them much smaller will make them more challenging to build. I tried building one of them at 66% (making it nominally 1:900 scale) and it was a bit harder to build, but still came out quite nice:
The squares on the cutting mat are .5", for reference. I don't really have a good recommendation for 17th Century naval rules; there are several decent renaissance ones out there, but none of them really capture the tactics and command issues of the Anglo-Dutch Wars, nor are any of them simple enough to use for the resolution of battles involving upwards of a hundred ships. |
MacrossMartin | 30 Nov 2013 7:46 p.m. PST |
My goodness, they do look nice! Arrgh! MORE temptation!!!!! |
Sergeant Paper | 30 Nov 2013 8:08 p.m. PST |
"Spanish Fury: Sail" would be my first thought for the period, but a hundred ships is too much, and after looking through the SF:S rules, they don't address these ships. So I guess it's the Langton rules instead. These are really nice ships, Jeff. |
Mako11 | 30 Nov 2013 8:26 p.m. PST |
Those look really great! About the only rules set that I can think of is one from Langton, for the Anglo-Dutch Wars. |
Dan Cyr | 30 Nov 2013 8:51 p.m. PST |
‘General at Sea: Wargames Rules and Scenarios for Fleet Actions, 1640 – 1721' by Iain Stanford PDF link Scale would have to be adjusted, but I seem to remember that there are 4-6 ships on a base. Easy to do 100+ ships then. Dan |
Mako11 | 30 Nov 2013 11:45 p.m. PST |
Not to bad to assemble 100, or so paper counters, but assembling 100+ paper (or other) ship models, or even 50+ would be very daunting to me, even without rigging. Any chance we can get you to produce a Dutch Fluyt or other merchant, and perhaps a small sluyp (or sloop), so we can use them for exploration, piracy, and trade, in the Caribbean too? |
Volunteer | 01 Dec 2013 12:36 a.m. PST |
Jeff these are really good looking ships. I haven't tried cardstock yet, still playing 1:1200 scale, but these are tempting. You do beautiful work. Regards, Vol |
War Artisan | 01 Dec 2013 8:47 a.m. PST |
assembling 100+ paper (or other) ship models, or even 50+ would be very daunting to me, even without rigging. To be honest, it's pretty daunting to me, too, but I'm going to do it anyway. An Anglo-Dutch naval battle just wouldn't have the right visual impact without at least fifty ships per side. Any chance we can get you to produce a Dutch Fluyt or other merchant, and perhaps a small sluyp (or sloop), so we can use them for exploration, piracy, and trade, in the Caribbean too? A fluyt is already in the works, and I had planned to eventually do a sloep or a jacht as an auxiliary to the fleet. I am starting with the North Sea fleets in mind, but there are many intriguing possibilities . . . Dutch vs the Spanish in the Caribbean, Dutch vs the Barbary states in the Mediterranean (and the Barbary ships would make good opponents for the American War of 1812 ships as well) . . . the list goes on and on, and I definitely have my work cut out for me. |
Mako11 | 01 Dec 2013 2:12 p.m. PST |
Sounds great, and would be even better if you could possible make some of the smaller vessels, and/or all of them capable of being upscaled to 1/300th. Not sure how technically difficult that would be, but since some people play with, and/or produce 1/300th figs and forts, it seems like a natural to me, for smaller skirmishes. I'd love to do a bit of adventuring in the Caribbean, and the Americas with them, in addition to battles in the Channel, and North Sea, amongst other locations. |
Jeroen72 | 02 Dec 2013 12:01 p.m. PST |
Very nice looking ships :) |
War Artisan | 02 Dec 2013 1:28 p.m. PST |
Mako11, Your comment about upscaling made me wonder just how well that would work, even though I have great confidence in the versatility of cardstock models in that regard. So, I decided to try it. Basically, I just printed the parts at 200% and doubled the thickness of the lower masts and laminated parts. I'll leave it to you to decide how well it worked, but I was pretty pleased with the results:
|
Sergeant Paper | 02 Dec 2013 10:44 p.m. PST |
That looks fine! Now you need a boarding net texture to cover the decks so they can't see the lack of crew, OR, some 1/300 sailors. I've seen them on Eric Hotz's galleys (I know BCantwell has done crews for his 1/300 Hotz fleet). Not sure who does 1/300 Anglo-Dutch sailors. I think I'd wrap the masts with paper marked with bands so they looked more like made masts. |
War Artisan | 03 Dec 2013 3:01 a.m. PST |
Not sure who does 1/300 Anglo-Dutch sailors. Langton does. I'm going to need a couple dozen packs, I think. Seeing this ship in 1:300 has given me an idea for a Dutch vs Dunkirker scenario for the next NavCon. I'm going to have to show a little mental discipline here, or the next thing you know I'll be doing ships for the Dutch Sea Beggars and the Spanish Armada. I think I'd wrap the masts with paper marked with bands so they looked more like made masts. They would look better with that treatment. That's what naturally happens as you get larger models – you notice more of the detail that should be there. If you look closely, you'll see that I couldn't resist putting fighting tops on the larger ship, but their absence on the smaller one never bothered me. |
|