"New Pancho Villa figures available soon " Topic

Nice ones!.

From my friend Uwe page.
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Hope you enjoy!.

Amicalement
Armand

Fine as Old West bandits, but useless as revolutionaries: too many pistols, not enough rifles.

Where are these available from and how much?

The Blog page didn`t say……..

Most of these poses look to be knocked off from Steve Weston's 1/32 plastic figures.

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No -it's the Mex Bandido swagger……with compulsory firing in he air!

Richard Baber
i suspect they will be available from Uwe from
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nice ranges..i've some similar stuff from Hagen miniatures..
they also made a sort of Revolution in 1:72 20mm minis production..cause, for what i have understand, they make sculpting and producing whatever subject you want in that scale..and at insignificant cost except buiyng the figures..and those Mexicans should be a result of somebody exotic "wish list"..like those that you seem to spoke about on your blog/postings and that closely correspond to my wargame dreams..:-))…i'm also thinking, for example, on 1920 colonial Spanish…above all Cavalry

Sorry..the link of Hagen Miniatures was
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@Armymen: I was thinking the same thing.

@79thPA: This was news to Steve.

Hi guys,

yes you got it. Massimo copied the Steve Weston figures. But we had some better photos than on the link

You see from this that Massimo is able to sculpt exactly after a photo or painting. So if anybody is interested to join our project and wants a figure done in 1/72 from a special source, contact us at hagen-miniatures.de

BTW, the parcel of them arrived just today

So I guess we have them in the shop in a week or so.

cheers
Uwe

Thank you, kyotebluer than blue, for quoting the late great Townes Van Zandt!
I'm goin out on the highway
Listen to them big trucks whine

These are bandits from the Magnificent Seven, look at "two guns" in red shirt in last color picture, spitting image of Calera

Hi JJ,

I do not know if Massimo can sculpt in 28mm too. But if you like I can ask him. Would you be interested to let him make figures in this scale?

We will expand the range to mounted figures, maybe artillerymen etc.

Hm, the magnificent seven is an interesting idea:-))

cheers
uwe

Peons with rifles in their simple cotton garb too……..and Yul Brynner!

28mm Yagui Indians please, Uwe; usable for the numerous Yaqui Wars in Sonora in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and essential for The Mexican Revolution – and as yet, not available anywhere (I don't count the mythical Pontoonier Miniatures figures).

What's needed is figures in peon costume with distinctly Native American faces, armed with bows and machetes.

And as I said, if he can just replace those pistols with rifles, the existing figures would make acceptable revolutionaries (ideally at least some should also have leggings sculpted on, but it's probably not essential).

Please bear in mind guys that these are direct copies of Steve Weston's figures and he is not happy that the producer of the figures is flipping him off. Copies plain and simple

What happened here is that a collector wanted to have Mexicans in scale 1:72. As a source he put a photo from the web of 54mm figures which he liked and send the photo to the sculpter.

Massimo simply sculpted the figures in 1/72 and was so good that they come very close to the photos he got. As we are making figures in 1/72 and Mr. Steve Weston sells figures in 54mm that is no really harm to anybody. Of course there is something like a copyright, but this goes for copying the original figures, let's say for example casting the originals in metal.

Here another sculpted made new figures in the same design as existing bigger figures. This is no break of any copyright as there doesn't exist a copyright of poses and design of figures.

Mr. Weston sent a lot of mails, wanted to have names and details that he can sue all the people involved, even wanted to have the original masters and the moulds to destroy them. He told Andreas Brune from Hagen that he want to make this all officially, spread flyers and word around, etc. etc.

He also posted the story from his point of view on his homepage

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We can't understand all this as what we did here is nothing illegal as we are working in a complete different scale and material without using his figures of which he has the copyright in any other thing that using photos of them.

All in all a very sad behavior in our eyes. As I sad no financial harm done to anyone, just his pride is hurt.

I would like to hear your opinion on this subject.

cheers
Uwe

"copies plain and simple "- smaller replicas? By Mr Westons own admission they haven't reproduced the faces…..so inspired by but not copies……?

Was there a pig in the Magnificent 7?

Hi Henry,

the Yaquis are a good idea. I will talk with Markus who ordered these figures. As for the poses here, we won't bring them in the shop. On the other hand Massimo will sculpt new ones in other poses. We can make a lot of conversion of them too so that there will be for sure enough guys with guns for the revolution

The Yaquis remind me on the old movie "Zorros legion" with Don de'l Oro" :-)

cheers
uwe

I hope the Yaquis will become a metallic reality. They really are needed to accurately represent MR armies.

The movie '100 Rifles' is set during an unspecified Yaqui War; although otherwise it has all the features of a standard 'Zapata western'. It's also one of the few such films in which Rurales form an element of the Federal forces (another example being 'A Bullet for the General').

I think we can do it. Have you read our system of producing figures at hagen-miniatures.de ?

In the meantime I spoke with the collector friend who started this series. He wants to increase the range to complete the mexican revolution with artillery, machine guns etc. We already dreamed about a train to break the Federal lines:-) So why not adding Indians.

cheers
Uwe

Well, how about some accurate rurales, too?

Although the Old Glory ones are well sculpted, the jackets are too long, and the equipment is part infantry, part cavalry, that is, you can make both from the pack, but you have to do a lot of conversion work, and because the pack contains mounted and dismounted figures, if you do infantry you end up with lots of spare mounted figures. And there are no dismounted command figures; I used Outpost.

The Outpost figures have the right jackets, but there are other problems with the costume, and there are no mounted figures.

Markus told me that he wants to cover the whole Mexican revolution. A lot of this stuff would be useful for my own Cuba-1898 range. Such Yaquis would not look much different to Peones in Mexico and Mambies in Cuba.

cheers
uwe

As I said in an earlier post Uwe, Yaquis were armed mostly with bows and machetes, which peones and mambies certainly weren't, and to do the figures properly their faces should be distinctly Native American; so all up, if they accurately represent Yaquis, they will be quite different to peones and mambies.

In my eyes just some different weapons. The cut of the cloth is the same.

As for the faces this would be a challenge in this scale.

Let's see what is possible.

cheers
uwe

Oink! Oink! You're right- watched it ver the weekend!