"Ancients Campaign: Empire Update" Topic

Apologies if this posts twice, the bug seems to have eaten my previous attempt…

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Coming to the end of it. Our version of the ancient west now looks like this (160 BC):

Cheers!
Paul

Carthage was destroyed so it would seem. Macedon is the Gorilla in the room though. Selucids could be the spoiler. India is….well…India.

Hopefully we'll see some more games at the club, now the Phoenix is back up and running at Partick Burgh Halls – considerably roomier and much better lit than the Polish club was.

Hi Peter, I'm going to be unreliable for a while, at least until the New Year (work and life getting in the way of games again…). No idea when I'll make it to the new premises!

Hi John, Carthage was indeed destroyed, although it will make a comeback for the 3rd Punic War after this particular camapign is over. I'm having some trouble deciding on the composition of their field army, though: the main foot and horse will probably be of medium quality and weight, with some decent light infantry and light cavalry, and the usual skirmish infantry. No elephants, I think. The plan is to give them a decent but not overwhelming force – enough to force the Romans to take them seriously, and maybe give the Romans a tough time initially. After that, though, Roman weight will probably tell. This seems about right to me, but I'm more than willing to be persuaded otherwise!

Quick edit: weird bug alert – part of this message posted itself before I was finished. Have now deleted that particular piece of artifical unintelligence…

The plan is to give them a decent but not overwhelming force – enough to force the Romans to take them seriously, and maybe give the Romans a tough time initially. After that, though, Roman weight will probably tell. This seems about right to me, but I'm more than willing to be persuaded otherwise!

I think this is a good plan in the name of making the game playable and enjoyable for both sides.

Historically though the 3rd Punic war was a bit of a non-starter for Carthage. They fought marauding Numidians with little or no success and this only allowed Rome a pretext to declare war (their Numidian allies being attacked!). After that it was pretty much downhill. I think the fact that Rome conquered both Greece AND Carthage in the same year tells us a lot about the state of affairs with the Punic army.

Has there been any fights in the east? Have the Seleucids made any headway with the Indians?

Thanks for the update. Just need to have everybody who's NOT a roman get together and team up on the Italians.

Doug

Hi John, the Seleucids helped to fight the Indians to a standstill, and for their pains were rewarded by being stabbed from behind by the resurgent Ptolemies, who are doing very nicely at the moment. Carthage will have an army, but relatively little in the way of replacements, unlike the Romans. Having said that, the red menace is having a particularly bad time against the Macedonians, and Iberia is volatile: a three-way war is perhaps beyond the capabilities of the ancient Borg, so Carthage might manage to survive for a while.

I think Doug is right, though – if the civilised world doesn't stop them Romans leaving Italy and wandering in a generally easterly direction, who knows what might happen!

It might behoove Macedon to make a strong alliance with Carthage then. The longer they stay up, the greater the chance of capitalizing on the rowdies in Iberia. Of course, they have to keep an eye on the hated Seleucids!

Food for thought, John. Of course, they will all bicker and allow the Romans to regroup…