"The HMVS Cerberus" Topic
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Tango01 | 04 Nov 2013 3:51 p.m. PST |
Well, from 1860 really, but of possible interest? cerberus.com.au Hope you enjoy!. Amicalement Armand |
FoxtrotPapaRomeo | 05 Nov 2013 4:52 a.m. PST |
Scroll down the left hand menu
for a 1/250 paper model. Combined with 8 forts around the entrance to Port Philip Bay plus a couple further back, Melbourne in the late nineteenth century was the most defended port in the Southern Hemisphere. |
desert war | 05 Nov 2013 8:12 a.m. PST |
I hope they manage to save her. They don't build things the same now and when they are gone they are gone. Its important for todays and tomorrows generations to see and understand how generations past lived and what they did to secure the generations to comes security and freedom. |
Mac1638 | 06 Nov 2013 4:33 a.m. PST |
I use to think only the Brit treated there History so badly, now I know the Aussies are just as bad! Do you think if this was in US waters or was a US ship it would be left to rot!(they may well have sold it for scrap in the 1930s) It makes my blood boil! |
Mac1638 | 06 Nov 2013 6:02 a.m. PST |
I hope no one has got the wrong end of the stick. I wish to congratulate and support voluntary organisations like the one that is trying to save the Cerberus. My problem is with short sited states and governments. In Briton we have a national lottery to raise money for good course, only the Great and the Good are aloud to say, where the funds are to going. |
AussieAndy | 19 Dec 2013 7:39 p.m. PST |
Unfortunately, Australians can compete with most countries in destroying heritage. It is not that many years ago that Melbourne was the most intact Victorian city in the world (it helps when you don't get bombed). However, sad as it is to see the Cerberus in this condition, if it was going to be restored, that should have happened decades ago. |
Charlie 12 | 21 Dec 2013 8:55 p.m. PST |
Hate to be the one to say this
But given the extreme deterioration of Cerberus, I really don't see what can be preserved. There comes a point when a relic is so far gone that any attempt to restore becomes less a reconstruction/restoration and more a complete new build. And that, unfortunately, is what Cerberus has become. You may be able to save parts of it (removing parts to dry land), buts that's about all. I too would love to see her restored to her former glory. But if the basic hull structure integrity is giving way (as the website infers), then you have a entirely different (and very difficult) situation. |
Charlie 12 | 21 Dec 2013 9:27 p.m. PST |
Do you think if this was in US waters or was a US ship it would be left to rot!(they may well have sold it for scrap in the 1930s)" Oh, the USN has long and distinguished history of letting its heritage rot to death (literally, in some cases). Just a few cases: USS Hartford (yes, the ACW Hartford from Mobile Bay fame) was still in existence in 1956. It was allowed to rot to pieces. Oh, they did save her ship's bell
(Interesting side story to this: FDR wanted to build a naval museum in Washington, DC featuring the Hartford, USS Olympia and a four stack destroyer from WWI. When FDR died, the plans to establish this museum and to save the ships were abandoned. Brilliant
) USS Constitution was in terrible condition when, at the very strong urging of FDR, a movement to preserve her (largely funded by school children!) was launched. If left up to the Navy, she too would've disappeared. (And now the USN takes full credit for something they initially wanted no part of). USS Oregon (the pre-dreadnought) was still preserved and on display in Portland, OR at the start of WWII. Or until the Navy decided she needed to be scraped for her metal. Mind you, she's the only surviving US pre-dreadnought BB. So she ended up with the Navy. Who the decided they didn't want her and couldn't figure out what to do with her. So they scraped her upper works and turned her into a ammo barge and towed her to Guam. Where she sank in a storm. Could they have decided to return her to Portland as a historical landmark instead of destroying her? Not a chance. So much for respecting your heritage
And they are many more examples. The USN is about as reckless and ignorant of its heritage as a 15 year old
(except the 15 year old has more maturity
). |
Mac1638 | 22 Dec 2013 4:57 p.m. PST |
They all sound as bad as each other. In the 50s and 60s most of Briton's naval bases up and down the country where old wooden ships kitted out as offices and stores, they where all sold off to be broken up! Some of them date back to Trafalgar. We will have to live in hope, that the public on keep saving our heritage. |
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