"Movement Trays with Integrated Dials" Topic

So I just finished a large job for a customer. He is writing his own rule set and needed movement trays with dials integrated.

So the question is… Is there a market for these and what rule sets can use them? I might be able to widen the window and include words for stuff like fragmented and disordered or at least short hands for those. Not sure if FOG supports movement trays or not. I only have limited experience with FOG and DBA. Other then they I don't have much experience in the historical stuff earlier then WWII. Someone mentioned Pike and Shot but I only played that game once at a convention.

So are you interested and what for? Looking for standard configurations/base sizes to start with.

I use a similar set up using Litko Horde Trays with 25mm circular Dials inserted into one of the holes. I have used it with SAGA and am planning a DUX Brittanarium Campaign and will use the same sytem to record Shock

What do you keep track of in Saga with them? I have not played it yet but would like to see it played.

Those would potentially work very well for Kings of War.
It has no miniature removal from the movement tray.
As a unit accrues dmg you either put dice, counters behind it or write it down on your army list.

Could post this on Mantic's forums if you'd like.
Lots of 3rd party resources always being discussed there.

Sure post away. Then I can watch it and step in to answer questions. Better then me posting there. I kinda have a working relationship with Mantic but I don't want to step on any toes.

Those could be brilliant for Impetus. Wouldn't need the base holes either, so less cutting.

So 120mm by 40, 60, and 80 mm depths for impetus?

I'm assuming that you never have to remove figures? I can easily make those. They will be 6mm thick once you glue the two layers together.

BTW I'm rather proud of the fact that that giant pile of bases was just squeezed into a single medium flat rate box. :) USPS can have fun with that 13 pound package tomorrow.

Posted on Mantic forums in General Discussion for the site and General Discussion for KoW.

KoW trays would tend toward 100 x 80 mm for standard 20 man units. Folks sometimes use fewer models to create diorama style units---as long as the footprint remains the same.

Bit hi-tech for me but have you thought about breaking into the Advent calendar market?

I'd buy them for Kings of War! LMK if you need tray sizes!

Also, Hail Caesar and Black Powder.

In either of the above cases, turn the numbers around so they are readable if you're looking at the back of the unit.

Uggg! I was supposed to do that already! Dangit I just shipped that massive order too. Serves me right for working late without sufficient coffee.

If you want them then email me the details and I can run a custom set. That will give me a base line to release products from. corseceng@gmail.com

It might take some work to figure out how to make one with a cluster of bases instead of the scattered ones. I'll need to think about it for a bit. I might be able to just notch out one of the bases and put the indicator/dial holder in that area.

Rather than a dial, I would have interest in similar trays with a ferrous (steel) plate (30mm) set flush to the top. Glue small magnets to Litko tokens and click them to the plate when required. Very flexible even when your rule system changes.

Or you could just tell me what tokens you need and not buy them from Litko :) It would work even better with out Mag-tokens but I'm hesitant to expand that line any more without finding a better manufacturing process that doesn't take as much time.

I don't really have the capacity to cut metal in my shop so I'd have to out source getting the blanks made. We did this with the mag tokens. That limits the size that I can use. I'd rather offer the entire base with the steel plate. I'll have to think about it.

I am the one that ordered these. I wanted them for not only the demo games for my rules, but also for Hail Caesar and Impetus games. As long as both armies are using the same base width they should work for all three games. My rules are set up so that you can use a roster sheet or a token as well, but I had this idea and I thought that they would look really cool flocked up to match the bases the figs are already on. Jonathan, nice job, they do look great. I have a couple of questions that I will send you an email about.

Allen

What would the prices be?

KoW style would need 15mm holes (the most generic being 20 in a 5x4 formation on a 100mmx80mm tray)

Well squeezing the dial into a base with 15mm squares on it was interesting but a slight shift in formation at the back shouldn't be too bad. It's either that or eliminate a slot and I suspect that is a bad thing. Those bases are a bit smaller then the ones I did for Allen so I can fit more per sheet. I can do them for about $5 USD each with the dial and hardware.

The dial is a bit offset but your not looking for loose formation like Allen was. He wanted different formation options so I made it so they will flip over and give a new pattern. Here is a render.

Really clever idea and execution. I do not have a use for them, but will try to think of something.

I did something similar with some home made command stands for generals. They are circular or oval and can slot in two, three or four mounted figures (to indicate Divisional, Corps or Army command). There is a wheel as shown in the above posts built in to the base behind the General's figure to indicate command ability which can be varied for different rule systems (ie General de Brigade would be E – excellent, A – average or P – poor), Black Powder 6,7, 8 etc. this allows me to mount all my generals, ADCs and staff officers individually but pick the ones I want for a particular game.

Rod

CorSecEng – I should have been more specific, Mantic's figures have 15mm _circular_ bases integral to the figure

Well circles are not that big a deal. Same price. I just need to make the holes round :)

For SAGA you need to keep track of a unit's fatigue.

I always thought that having a base with a dial (Like Heroclix) would make prefect sense for keeping track of damage to a figure, especially for skirmish or role playing games.

These are excellent

I'd definitely buy something like this for my Black Powder units – they would be excellent for showing the casualties in a unit

Also they'd be great for command bases to show the commanders skill level.

Not sure how the slots would work for my 40mmx40mm bases, but theres a lot of potential here. A blank edge would allow nerds like me to name and label their units

F

I can do a close fit one for a set of 40mm by 40mm bases but have one that is notched to take leave room for the dial connector. Plus they all come with free bases! Mostly because there is no point in me throwing them away :) I need to get into the base making racket anyway.

It seems like there is a lot of interest but also a lot of various sizes that are needed. I'll play with some ideas on how to make a paypal button with lots of options that calculates the price for me.

I think if your customer could provide you with some photos of the bases WITH figures on them we might all be a little bit TOO excited to see them

F

Haha He already promised to send them :) I don't play historical or fantasy stuff that would need them so I don't have anything laying around to take pics of. I could flock one really quick :) Hmmm I could get some amazing Spanish 15mm Knights to make a base for… The local game shop employee usually has them around for a photo shoot.

Yeah, 120mm by whatever for Impetus would be really nifty.

One thing, however, would it be possible to fit TWO dials onto a base? Impetus needs 2 factors/unit to keep tabs on and such a base would be right interesting. I'll have to ponder this for a bit.

Regardless, it's a VERY neat idea, and glad to see you offering these.

I like them I would use them textured up….

I had a few minutes last night, so I flocked up one of the trays so that it matched my basing technique. I should be able to add casualty figures (more of a diorama) or a few more standing figures (for a more dense formation) as well. I do need to hide the screw a little better, but this was just a quick job.

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Allen

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That's very cool

F