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sfumato29 Oct 2013 4:52 p.m. PST

I am working on scenarios for Jackson's valley campaign and need help finding oob's and unit sizes for both Union and Confederate forces. I am interested in doing my own scenarios for Kernstown, McDowell,First Winchester, Cross Keys and Port Republic. Any help will be appreciated

6mmACW29 Oct 2013 7:54 p.m. PST

Visit the library and request "Jackson's Valley Campaign" by David Martin. He has the full OOBs for each battle with some good research on numerical strength. Should be everything you need in one book.

A Twiningham30 Oct 2013 4:55 a.m. PST

I seem to remember Cozzens covering most of the detail you need also. link

CATenWolde30 Oct 2013 7:25 a.m. PST

I have Cozzens, and while he goes into great detail about the engagements (and has good maps), he doesn't have OB's with men and guns listed.

I've actually been running through the Valley Campaign using the Partizan Press "Stonewall" scenario book as a starting point, with our house-ruled Rank & File for rules. I have the scenarios for Kernstown, McDowell, and First Winchester done, and am working on the last two. The scenarios have strengths in 50-man stands, rounded to the nearest 100 for regimental strengths, if that would be helpful.

Cheers,

Christopher

MajorB30 Oct 2013 7:58 a.m. PST

Kernstown:
link
McDowell:
link
First Winchester:
link
Cross Keys:
link
Port Republic:
link

CATenWolde30 Oct 2013 11:29 a.m. PST

Wikipedia has some great maps and illustrations, and you can find even better with a simple Google search, but there really isn't a useful OB for any of the battles on the web – all seem to have some sort of OB, but no numbers.

MajorB30 Oct 2013 12:41 p.m. PST

all seem to have some sort of OB, but no numbers.

For actual numbers you probably need "Battles and Leaders of the Civil War". In my case the OOB down to regiment is fine.

bschulte24 Feb 2014 6:51 p.m. PST

I actually worked on something like this for the game Take Command: 2nd Manassas a few years back. This OOB is in that game's format, but if you're willing to read through each tab, you'll find some pretty solid data for many of the battles of Jackson's Valley Campaign.

Here's the link. It's a spreadsheet: link

bschulte24 Feb 2014 7:01 p.m. PST

Ps I used a variety of sources, including the ORs and some of those mentioned above. Not everything is perfectly accurate, but it's close. I tried to make sure the brigade numbers worked out, and used exact regimental numbers where available.

jaxenro17 May 2014 12:59 p.m. PST

The spreadsheet is great I was interested in McDowell, among others, using RegF&F. I assume the "strength" column is number of men per regiment? Forgive a newby question but if the regiment contains, say 615 men and RF&F represents 40 men per 3 figure base I would need 15 bases or 45 figures for the one regiment? How do you handle the rounding issue as it's actually 15 and 1/3 bases just round up or down and adjust at the divisional level? Seems like even a relatively small army would require 900 to 1,200 figures on 300 to 400 bases plus cavalry and artillery?

Regulars24 May 2014 6:44 a.m. PST

In RFF early ACW has large green regiments by the late 1862 early 1863 period the veteran regiments are much smaller averaging 8-10 stands. For rounding I would recommend rounding down to represent friction.

You can adjust the unit by use of the Unit Effectiveness Table Fig.3 on page 9 of the rule book.
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