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Sapeur24 Sep 2013 2:29 a.m. PST

Maverick Models do flags for 1st to 4th Regiments.
Have Hourtoulle plates nos 62 and 63 but that is all on them.
Any guidance please?
Thanks

Rod MacArthur24 Sep 2013 3:48 a.m. PST

Tom,

I am in Spain at present (back to UK on Thursday) but have an Osprey at home titled "Napoleon's Sea Soldiers" which undoubtedly has more information, and probably links to a few other sources.

Rod

Sapeur24 Sep 2013 5:28 a.m. PST

Rod
It is definitely old age catching up with me!
I had forgotten that I do have MAM No 227 hiding away. I had, for some reason, not added it to my list of books.
Will investigate further and see if it answers my questions regarding standards.
REgards
Tom

Prince of Essling24 Sep 2013 2:13 p.m. PST

Useful stuff on French naval troops can be found in:

John R Elting "Swords Around a Throne";
Rene Chartrand & Francis Back "Napoleon's Sea Soldiers"; Delauney & Guittard "Historique de l'Artillerie de la Marine";
Otto von Pivka "Navies of the Napoleonic Era";
Paul Lecene "Les Marins de la Republique et de l'Empire, 1793-1815";
Eugene Pacini "La Marine";
Alain Pigeard "L'Artillerie de Marine sous le Premier Empire" (Tradition magazine);
Vice-Amiral Krantz "Historique artillerie de la marine"; Leon Hennet "Les milices et les troupes provinciales"; J.R.M. Malaize "Essai Historique & Chronologique sur les Troupes de la Marine, Depuis leur origine jusqu'a nos jours..";
Philip J Haythornthwaite "The Napoleonic Source Book"; "Correspondance de Napoleon avec le ministre de la marine";
"Correspondance de l'Empereur Napoleon Ier";
Charles Pauly "Etude sur l'inscription maritime"; &
La Garde Chauvin website.

One of the Naval Artillery regiments had its eagle captured at Leipzig.

Brief summary on Naval Artillery (Artillerie de la Marine)

The naval artillery was reactivated in 1795, when 7 demi-brigades were formed.

In 1802 separate battalions were formed – on 20 June for Martinique and on 20 July for Guadeloupe. Both battalions were decimated by yellow-fever.

In May 1803 Napoleon converted the demi-brigades into 4 regiments – the 1st and 2nd regiments each had a HQ of 15 personnel; 4 battalions of six companies (each of 204 personnel). The 2nd regiment gained a fifth battalion in June 1805. The 3rd and 4th regiments each had a HQ of 9 personnel and 2 battalions. In addition there were 4 companies of ouvriers (each of 153 personnel) and 4 companies of apprentis-cannoniers (apprentice gunners) each of 141 personnel. Service in the artillerie de la marine was by voluntary enrolment.

On 6 October 1803 three new compagnies d'apprentis-cannoniers were created for the ports of Dunkirk, Lorient and Ostend.

On 9 November 1804 the artillerie de la marine received the title Corps Impérial Artillerie de la Marine.

In 1805 the compagnies d'apprentis-cannoniers were reduced to 6 – 2 at Brest; and 1 each at Toulon; Rochefort; Lorient; & Dunkirk.

On 7 May 1805 a 5th compagnie ouvriers de la marine was created to serve Antwerp (Anvers) & Boulogne. On 11 June 1805 a 6th compagnie ouvriers de la marine was created to serve Genoa. At this time the battalions of the regiments of artillerie de la marine were deployed:

1st regiment: 4 battalions at Brest;
2nd regiment: 1st battalion at Genoa; 2nd & 4th battalions at Brest; 3rd & 5th battalions at Toulon.
3rd regiment: 2 battalions at Rochefort.
4th regiment: 2 battalions at Lorient.

From December 1806 recruitment for the artillerie de la marine was no longer voluntary; it now followed the same system of conscription as for the land army.

From 27 May 1807 until 20 June 1809, one battalion from Brest was detached to Concarneau to guard the ship Veteran commanded by Jerome Bonaparte, which had been blockaded in that port by a British squadron.

From 26 November 1807 until 10 November 1808 a battalion of the artillerie de la marine was with General Junot's Corps that invaded Portugal. They were tasked to arm, refit & provision 9 abandoned Portuguese ships at Lisbon. The battalion returned to France under the terms of the Convention of Cintra.

From 1809 to 1812 the artillerie de la marine was required to provide manpower to the Equipages.

A provisional battalion was deployed at Belle-Isle from 1809 until 1811.

In 1811 Artillery parks were created to serve the ports of Amsterdam & Rotterdam. There were also temporary artillery parks at Calais, Flessingue (Flushing); Hamburg & La Spezia. Also the same year the compagnie ouvriers de artillerie de la marine at Genoa was split into two – one part went to Cherbourg. A detachment from the artillerie de la marine of 3 officers and 120 men were sent to Spain to serve with the land artillery until 1814.

The decree of 29 February 1812 increased the strength of each company of the artillerie de la marine to 250 men. The regiments were stationed as follows:

1st regiment: 4 battalions at Brest;
2nd regiment: 1 battalion at Genoa; 2 battalions at Toulon; 1 battalion at Lorient; & 1 battalion at Rochefort.
3rd regiment: 2 battalions at Cherbourg.
4th regiment: 2 battalions at Anvers (Antwerp).

In 1812 thirteen officers of the artillerie de la marine served with the Grande Armée in Russia.

The decree of 24 January 1813 transferred the 4 Regiments from the Ministry of the Navy to the Ministry of War with effect 1 February. (The Ministry of the Navy retained 500 men from the artillerie de la marine for service with the fleet.) The regiments were formed as follows: 1st at Brest; 2nd at Toulon; 3rd at Cherbourg; & 4th at Antwerp. The Regiments were reorganised into battalions of 6 companies of 140 men each; battalion HQ of 4 personnel; regimental HQ of 4 personnel. The Regiment mobilised battalions as follows: 1st – 8 battalions; 2nd – 10 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 4 battalions. 6 battalions remained in the ports and 20 (1st Rgt – 6 battalions; 2nd Rgt – 8 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 3 battalions) joined Napoleon in Germany to serve in an infantry role in Marmont's VI Corps. 6 battalions were left in Mayence (Mainz) to act as cadres for reinforcements for the Regiments, while most of their men were used to reinforce the other field battalions. As a result the Regiments took the field as follows: 1st – 4 battalions; 2nd – 6 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 2 battalions. They fought at Lutzen and Bautzen.

During the Armistice the ports sent 4 battalions to their parent formations in Saxony – 1 battalion remained at Brest & 1 at Toulon. On recommencement of hostilities on 18 August the Regiments comprised: 1st – 5 battalions; 2nd – 7 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 3 battalions. They took part in the battles of Dresden, & Leipzig. During the retreat to the Rhine the 1st & the 2nd Regiments respectively left 350 & 734 men to defend Erfurt; also 300 newly arrived reinforcements from Cherbourg were left at Erfurt. The Régiments artillerie de la marine fought at Hanau.

The decree of 17 July 1813 established an artillery park at Cherbourg. During 1813-14 officers from the Regimentswere employed in the defence of Erfurt & Torgau, others at Danzig, Antwerp, Dresden, Mayence, Genoa etc.

Of the 17,338 men sent to Germany, 2,412 were killed, 7,291 remained in German hospitals, 2,319 were prisoners or in rear areas, 571 were transferred to the Guard artillery, 1,084 left at Erfurt (this excludes the 300 reinforcments). On 7 November 1813 the regiments were reorgnaised and their effective strengths were: 1st: 557 men in 2 battalions; 2nd 1,897 men in 4 battalions; 3rd: 632 men in 3 battalions & 4th 575 men in 3 battalions. Brest & Toulon continued to act as depots for the 1st & 2nd Regiments; Valognes became the depot for the 3rd, and Abbeville for the 4th. All Regiments were supposed to comprise 5 battalions (the 5th acting as the depot battalion).

In January 1814 the regimental depots were ordered to send cadres to Paris, where they formed the 2nd Division of the Corps de Réserves de Paris. Marmont's Corps fought at Vauchamps (capturing 1,000men), Champaubert, & Montmirail. Others from the artillerie de la marine fought in the defence of France. By 5 May there remained just 695 effectives.

L'artillerie de la marine was reorganised on 1 July 1814 with the name Corps Royal des cannoniers de la marine. The Corps comprised a HQ of 2 personnel, 3 Regiments (1st had 3 battalions & the other two had 2 battalions each. All of the battalions had 6 companies each of 124 personnel. In times of war the battalions were to be raised to 10 companies each of 207 personnel), 5 compagnies d'ouvriers each of 132 personnel, 6 compagnies d'apprentis cannoniers each of 139 personnel and a number of officers who were employed as necessary in the 6 directions maritime (the 5 great ports plus Dunkirk), 4 founderies, 3 forges and 1 quality control workshop? (atelier de perfectionnement).

The Regiments were deployed as follows:
1st regiment: 1st battalion at Cherbourg; 2nd & 3rd at Brest.
2nd regiment: 2 battalions at Toulon.
3rd regiment: 1st battalion at Lorient; 2nd battalion at Rochefort.

One compagnie d'ouvriers was deployed at each port. Two compagnies d'apprentis cannoniers were deployed at Brest and 1 in each of the 4 other ports. 16 officers were detached to the foundries & workshops.

Details of the Regiment during the 100 days is fairly scant. Upon Napoleon's return 2 battalions (2nd of the 1st Regiment & 3rd of the 3rd Regiment) were sent to Paris and 1st battalion of the 2nd Regiment was sent to Lyon to put both places into state capable of being defended. A 4th battalion was mobilised and sent to La Vendée.

Sapeur24 Sep 2013 3:20 p.m. PST

Prince of Essling
I can only express my sincere thanks for the effort required to produce the listing and notes.
I will investigate further.

von Winterfeldt25 Sep 2013 4:45 a.m. PST

Further good sources

Annales Maritimes et Coloniales
Années 1809 – 1815, Tome premier

available on google.books.com

and – a good memoire of an officer in those regiments

Mémoires de Jean Louis Rieu
Genève et Bale, 1870

also available on google books

Sapeur25 Sep 2013 7:26 a.m. PST

Thank you von Winterfeldt

AuvergneWargamer17 Feb 2016 10:07 a.m. PST

Bonjour and Greetings from the Centre of France,

All very useful information!

Could someone please let me know whether each battalion had 6 companies of "Fusiliers" or whether there were 4 Fusilier companies and a "Voltigeur" and a "Grenadier" company?

If there were Voltigeurs and Grenadiers were there any uniform distinctions?

Cheers,

Paul

SJDonovan17 Feb 2016 11:36 a.m. PST

I don't think that they had grenadier and voltiguer companies. I believe all six companies were regarded as fusiliers (or "marins" in this case?). I have seen it suggested that they were regarded as an elite and so all troops wore red fringed epaulettes on their overcoats. However, this previous discussion on TMP seems to cast doubt on this and there is the suggestion that only the first class cannoniers (fewer than 100 men per battalion) would have worn this distinction: TMP link

Gratian17 Feb 2016 12:45 p.m. PST

I've just bought AB French in greatcoats to paint up a unit of these and was going ask the very same question! Probably a bit late as all mine will have epaulettes.

I would like to do the Marins de la garde but I don't think they exist in 15mm.

AuvergneWargamer17 Feb 2016 1:03 p.m. PST

Bonsoir SJDonavan,

Thanks for the useful link and helpful guidance.

I'm inclined to go for the "all epaulettes" 6 companies the same approach.

Reckon some Perrys' Miniatures line infantry flank companies in greatcoats will do nicely.

Back to painting Westfalia Saxons.

Cheers,

Paul

SJDonovan17 Feb 2016 1:29 p.m. PST

@AuvergneWargamer

My pleasure. For what it's worth I would also be inclined to go "all epaulettes". I don't know whether it is right but it looks good.

@Gratian

Minifigs do Marins de la Garde in 15mm but unfortunately they don't make any command (which strikes me as a bit of an oversight on their part)

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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP17 Feb 2016 1:58 p.m. PST

Mye take on them

link

SJDonovan17 Feb 2016 2:12 p.m. PST

Those look great Gunfreak.

von Winterfeldt17 Feb 2016 11:55 p.m. PST

why don't you give it a mix, and some artilleurs with hat as well?

James Arnold19 Feb 2016 5:24 p.m. PST

Dear All,

I want to emphatically agree with von Winterfeldt about the value of Captain Jean-Louis Rieu's memoir. He vividly describes standing in square at Lutzen while under allied artillery fire. I used Rieu, and also Captains Barres (Souvenirs d'in Officier de la Grande Armee) who was also in Compan's division, for my account of Marmont's arrival on the field in my book, Napoleon 1813. For what it is worth, my cover illustration shows the Marine Artillery at Lutzen, a painting originally commissioned by the French Navy. I thought the painting really neat, but someone else on this site claimed it was crap. I will stand alongside the French Navy.

To each their own!

James

Gratian20 Feb 2016 4:23 p.m. PST

Thanks SJ – my figures are all AB so minifigs might look a bit small.

I've started a unit using AB in greatcoats which I think work well.

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It's a work in progres…

Gratian21 Feb 2016 4:19 a.m. PST

Half a unit done

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SJDonovan21 Feb 2016 4:53 a.m. PST

That is a wonderful-looking unit Gratian. You've done a great job on them.

von Winterfeldt21 Feb 2016 7:36 a.m. PST

there it is not yet finished, do you opt for black or white equipment belts?

Gratian21 Feb 2016 7:47 a.m. PST

This two bases are finished actually, I opted for black cross belts partly because it's easier to paint and partly so they look a bit different to standard infantry.

Cheers SJ….always nice to receive a compliment!

Gratian22 Feb 2016 3:19 p.m. PST

Does anyone have an details on flags for these units?

Gratian21 Mar 2016 7:49 a.m. PST

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Took a while…but finished now.

I went for white crossbelts in the end, most sources showed them white.

Gratian21 Mar 2016 7:55 a.m. PST

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