cat herder | 05 Sep 2013 12:19 p.m. PST |
Hi all, I am a bit of a novice to ACW so try not to berate me too much if this is a really dumb question. Would it be possible to build Union regiments from the Perry Confederate infantry packs? I realise that one is expected to use the earlier "catch all" ACW infantry pack and although there is nothing wrong with these figures I much prefer the later Zouaves and Rebel infantry sets. Also whilst I am pestering you, which other companie's figures fit in with the Perry plastics ( apart from Perry metals obviously), I like the look of both 2nd edition OG and Sash and sabre miniatures ranges. Thanks to anyone kind enough to reply, best wishes
CH. |
nazrat | 05 Sep 2013 12:53 p.m. PST |
You have the two main ones already. Both S & S and OG2 were sculpted by the same guy so they are perfect together, and they match nicely with the Perry plastics and Foundry models (by the Perrys, natch), too. Redoubt is a bit bigger but I love them so I have units made up just of them, and OG1 are all different sizes (and are pretty awful sculpts in comparison to all these others). Jerry |
Sparker | 05 Sep 2013 2:36 p.m. PST |
The main issue I am told is the shell jacket worn by these figures. However of course this was also worn by Union troops on occasion, so personally I don't have a problem and intend to use them for Feds myself. However do be aware that a couple of years ago the Perrys did hint that they were also going to release a Union box
so I don't know if its worth waiting
. |
cat herder | 05 Sep 2013 2:58 p.m. PST |
Hi chaps, thank you both very much for your feed back, much appreciated. Sparker, I was hoping that they may do a new Union set but having looked at their "On the work bench" stuff repeatedly and not seeing anything to suggest a Union set I got the impression that one was susposed to use the original ( and now slightly dated ) set for the union. However waiting is not a problem for me as I am without doubt the world's slowest painter. Thanks again to you both, best wishes
CH. |
McWong73 | 05 Sep 2013 3:42 p.m. PST |
The biggest issue are the jackets, the shell jacket is iconic to the Rebs, though Union troops wore them sometimes, but it wasn't that common. At table distance I wouldn't be too concerned, and I'd be more keen to see a new player. The Perry revised union box set is probably not that far away, may be worth waiting. |
Fonzie | 05 Sep 2013 5:05 p.m. PST |
I sell the Perry rebs painted as Union. I replace the reb officer by the officer from the "old" box because the reb officer that comes with the box is "too reb looking". This unit sells very well so I guess most people don't mind the shell jackets. link
Fons mmps.asia |
huevans011 | 05 Sep 2013 6:13 p.m. PST |
Some union troops in the West wore the shell jacket. But you would have to research pretty carefully to know who and where and when. As mentioned, the shell jacket is typical of the CSA and the fatigue blouse typical of the USA. |
huevans011 | 05 Sep 2013 6:16 p.m. PST |
There is a lot more that goes into ACW uniformology these days than just blue coat / grey coat. For instance, check the gorgeous work this historic tailor does and how many different types of CSA shell jackets he produces. link |
CCollins | 05 Sep 2013 8:08 p.m. PST |
Setting aside the State Jackets for the moment, as they seem to be largely "an early war thing" Roundabouts, shell jackets and converted frock coats where quite common, even Sack Coats were converted to a more tailored appearance and given 7 buttons. Heres a nice article with period photos. PDF link |
cat herder | 06 Sep 2013 6:29 a.m. PST |
Hi chaps, thanks very much for all your very helpful feed back, I have decided to send for 5 boxes of the Rebs for now, and then see if Perry's have released or are at least planning some Yanks when I finished them. Once again thanks to all, best wishes
CH. |
Griefbringer | 07 Sep 2013 4:45 a.m. PST |
The Perry revised union box set is probably not that far away, may be worth waiting. Considering the way Perry scheduling works, I would not expect to see one before December 2014 in the earliest. For the last couple of years, Perrys have displayed their upcoming plastic sets annually in the Salute show, after which there is roughly 6-18 months wait until they start rolling to production lines. |
Trajanus | 07 Sep 2013 12:49 p.m. PST |
I think that's the first painted up version of this set I've seen. Have to say, painted Blue or Grey makes no difference to me, I don't like the pose. They all look like they are about to fall on their faces! I thought these were based on the Zouave set but they don't lean as far forward as this. Not for me I'm afraid. |
Dobber | 13 Feb 2014 10:54 a.m. PST |
sorry for the thread necromancy here but I am also interested in this idea I was kind of thinking of just skipping every couple buttons when painting and at table distance they would look like a sack coat. any thoughts on this idea |
HammerHead | 19 Feb 2014 12:53 p.m. PST |
Trajanus
..I was slightly puzzeled by your comments on the Perry Confederates. I`ve both packs, and compared both sets on the sprue. There is only one figure that is different in each box. Four figures in each pack are advancing at the `same angle` |
Delbruck | 29 Nov 2015 5:28 p.m. PST |
With the release of the Perry Civil War army box – it appears that we will never see a new box of Union plastic infantry. |
normsmith | 30 Nov 2015 2:52 a.m. PST |
I'm not sure that can be said with any certainty. There was an imerative to get the first plastics '28mm battle in a box' out and the ACW range was the nearest thing that Perry could claim to be complete enough to do that. Also, perhaps the first box has in marketing terms reached saturation point in sales, which is another good reason to bundle and extend the life of sales. The battle in a box idea is a good value starter kit, so most buyers will want to buy extra boxes, so new sets might now even be a better prospect as a new user base of the scale and period (me) get involved with the Perry line. |
mysteron | 30 Nov 2015 4:31 a.m. PST |
From a business point of view to me it doesn't make sense to being out a Union specific boxed set as the demand for the catch all ACW1 box will correspondingly will go down. Because of the cost of the moulds etc I bet they havn't recovered their costs yet from this box. They could re label the box and call this one Union Infantry. For now I will be using ACW1 for my Union with "specials" in the form of metal figures from Foundry,Slash + Saber and Old Glory . |
Trajanus | 30 Nov 2015 6:50 a.m. PST |
My friend an I both started 28mm ACW with Perry plastics when we changed up from our really old 15mm Old Glory back when they were first released. I'm a Union Man and he's the other lot but I have to confess I think the original Plastics make better Confederates. I have to confess I don't think I've seen any of the later "Confederate Infantry" box painted up so I can't comment on those. I got round the Shell Jacket issue for the Union by making them up as the New York regiments of the Irish Brigade which had the state issue jacket. I've since made up more Union regiments using their metal figures in sack coats and even one in frock coats. As for when, or if, they ever do a "Union Box" – this late in the day part of me wishes they don't, having worked round things already but I'm not holding my breath either. I had to use their Confederate Command castings for my Union unit in frock coats because the Perry's didn't do a Union one at the time and they still don't! |
Darkoath | 07 Mar 2016 11:42 a.m. PST |
I read in the new Perry book that the costs of the first plastic civil war box set was recovered almost immediately. It was their very first plastic set and it has done very well for them and it was not expected to do that well so quickly. |