"Rules where the basic unit (stand) is a Division..." Topic

I just purchased and have played the Age of Napoleon board game. Really enjoyed it, and as is always the case, immediately began wondering how to adapt it to a miniatures campaign.

My two primary thoughts are either (1) use DBN, and the maximum corps SR is the number of points available to each army (if I recall, 44-46 potential maximum for Napoleon if all the best generals are present, and 34-38 for the Allies, again if all the best generals are present) or (2) find an alternative set of rules where the basic stand represents a division, and the SR of each corp is represented by that number of stands.

I've done some research, and can't seem to come across any such "division" level games.

Anyone know of any?

Regards,
Dave

closest I've seen is where a stand is a brigade -- Volley and Bayonet. Great game, check it out.

I second the above

Sam Mustafa has a division level campaign rule system using Grande Armée basing called "La Grande Guerre". Still available on the Grand Armée yahoo group site.

I think one could adapt the Generalship Game from Paddy Griffith's Napoleonic Wargaming For Fun [Ward Lock 1980, but republished by John Curry's History of Wargaming Project.
In those rules, the player is an army commander, and the units are corps; there's no reason one could not simply call the corps divisions, and either make the army commander as the CO of a corps acting independently or the CO of a smaller army.

La Grand Guerre (LGG) is the only one, i know about. It has a DBx feeling.

With one stand being a division I think you are largely stuck in a board game.

My rules have single base battalions and players largely consider their units to be their divisions. So it may be a similar effect to what you are looking for. Ground scale is going to be the biggest differentiating factor, I use 1" = 75 yards.

Cheers,

The Bandit

Snappy Nappy: 1 stand is 2,000 infantry/750 cavalry/24 artillery pieces.

Gives a good fast game.

LGG is probably what you are looking for. I have only played it once (Waterloo and Wavre on the same table for two players!). Big battles will play really quickly with enough historical feel.

LGG is solid.

The original Horse, Foot & Guns used division sized stands but has more recently dropped to the tediously common brigade.

Tim Gows 'A Wee Dram of Napoleon' and Baccus's 'Leipzig Lite' both use division sized stands, and iirc so does 2x2 Napoleonics.

Frankly, it would be easy enough to scale up Grande Armee or V&B to use divisions instead of brigades.

I'd go with DBN, using a stand as a Division instead of a Brigade.

If you "zoom out" Snappy Nappy by a factor of 2, a 2 stand unit will be 8,000 Infantry, 3,000 Cavalry, and a one stand artillery unit = 48 guns. That would be very workable also.

Snappy Nappy will fit the bill with the zoom out above (although the ground and time scale should be zoomed out, too).

If you'd like a look at the system in action, this game from April used multiple tables with multiple players:

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And for a look inside Snappy Nappy:

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[Note: The "Add to Cart" function does not work off these pages -- a legacy from an earlier system]

There is also a Yahoo forum for Snappy Nappy that's quite good.

Disclosure: I wrote the rules, so I'm a little biased. :)

Russ

Thanks for all the input. Part of my motivation underlying this, apart from the fact that I'm trying to use a game easily translatable from the Age of Napoleon counters, is the fact that I have mounted my lads on 2" x 2" bases for V&B (or GA).

The other criteria I am dealing with is the fact that the rules must be fairly simple, and play out to a clear conclusion (translatable to the Age of Napoleon board game) in about an hour or hour and a half.

Cheers!
Dave