OffensiveBruce | 19 Aug 2013 9:53 a.m. PST |
We are considering releasing a range of US Cavalry and Apache warriors for gaming the conflict in New Mexico and Arizona in the 19th Century. I am posting some pics of the figures we intend to use as a basis for this range and we really want to know what people think of them. If there is enough interest we will go ahead with the range, either directly, or perhaps with Kickstarter. Please post your comments and suggestions. Thanks, Bruce, Offensive Miniatures.
If popular we would expand the range into plains tribes too. I really fancy some Dog Soldiers! What do people think? |
The Kingmaker | 19 Aug 2013 10:10 a.m. PST |
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Inkpaduta | 19 Aug 2013 10:28 a.m. PST |
Agree with Kingmaker, first I would have to know the scale. |
richarDISNEY | 19 Aug 2013 10:31 a.m. PST |
Yea
Scale?
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ColCampbell | 19 Aug 2013 10:34 a.m. PST |
According to his listing on the Manufacturers Directory TMP link , he is a UK maker of 28mm figures. Jim |
OffensiveBruce | 19 Aug 2013 10:58 a.m. PST |
Sorry guys. Yes we are thinking 28mm, but thats not fixed. It is our preferred scale. They would be 28mm metal figures sold in blisters of 8 dismounted, 6 command figs, or 3 mounted figures, just like our Napoleonic ranges. Pricing would be as per our Nap range: offensiveminiatures.com thanks Bruce |
Bunkermeister | 19 Aug 2013 10:59 a.m. PST |
I think in 1/72nd scale or 54mm they would do very well. In 28mm you can keep them. Mike Bunkermeister Creek Bunker Talk blog |
John Leahy | 19 Aug 2013 11:02 a.m. PST |
I was hoping it was either 15mm/18mm or 1/72. |
OffensiveBruce | 19 Aug 2013 12:01 p.m. PST |
Thanks for that guys. Exactly the point of posting. The sample we had done was 1:72, so it may well be the scale we choose if thats what people want. Bruce |
Skeets | 19 Aug 2013 12:34 p.m. PST |
If not in 28 not interested. |
tigrifsgt | 19 Aug 2013 12:40 p.m. PST |
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IronDuke596 | 19 Aug 2013 12:46 p.m. PST |
28mm is the way of the future. Very nice figures. |
OffensiveBruce | 19 Aug 2013 1:37 p.m. PST |
Maybe we need to do them in both 28mm and 20mm! thanks for the feedback
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mjkerner | 19 Aug 2013 3:00 p.m. PST |
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OffensiveBruce | 19 Aug 2013 3:40 p.m. PST |
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hocklermp5 | 19 Aug 2013 4:06 p.m. PST |
28mm for sure. Those are beautiful sculpts and there are few Apaches out there. I bought Artizan's Apaches but the poses are stiff and the carbines are all wrong. Not up to Artizan's usual high standard. Your troppers and Apaches look great. |
scarlinosr1 | 19 Aug 2013 7:50 p.m. PST |
Nice sculpts!! Really nice painting too!! I'm going back to 1/72 from 28MM. BTW, this is my favorite period. Sal Sr out!! |
kingscarbine | 20 Aug 2013 3:04 a.m. PST |
I'm interested in adding more nice figures to my collection. I love the Foundry figures but not so keen on the Artizan stuff. The Apache Wars are great for skirmish games. |
Garryowen | 20 Aug 2013 6:18 a.m. PST |
Very beautiful figures. I have studied this period for decades. A suggestion or two: 1. The cavalry always rode on campaign with the halter under the bridle. The halter lead strap was tied on to the near (left) pommel ring. It looks like you have the halter, but I don't see the lead strap. 2.Nosebags were generally carried on the off (right) pommel ring. 3. As you are doing three strap saddle bags, holster with strap rather than flap, and carbine boot rather than socket, it looks like you are doing the 1880's. If a rider is in shirt sleeves, you should have his blouse (uniform jacket) rolled up and stowed under his cantle roll. Good move as Foundry has the 70s pretty well covered. In that case you may want to get a copy of The Horse Soldier, Volume III, by Randy Steffan. It is available now in paper, so not too expensive. Another suggestion is to package your figures so your mounted and dismounted match. Foundry used to do this. You could buy a pack of 8 foot figures and by buying the correct two packs of mounted figures (4 each) the mounted and dismounted would match. This is very important for a skirmish game like this. And that cavalry fought as much on foot as on horse. The same thing should be done with Apaches. One mistake many figure manufacturers make is to have horse holders dismounted. This may be based on a very famous illustration that was in Battles and Leaders of the Civil War. I am not saying it never happened, but it is not in accordance with tactical manuals of the era or sound practice. Try moving four horses excited by gunfire when you are on foot. I did ACW and Indian Wars cavalry re-enactment for years and served as a horse holder many times. If you get the Steffan book, you will see the link strap on the near (left) side of the bridle to link horses 1, 2, and 3 together, then trooper number 4 stayed mounted holding the reins of number 3 in his right hand. Also see Frederic Remington's Painting, Dismounted; the Fourth Troopers Moving. Remington rode with the cavalry in the Southwest in the late 1800s. So, if your riders are cast on the saddles, you will also need some hoses with saddles for the led (not lead) horses. Some of your colors are wrong, but that is another problem. Beautiful figures. A great era. I hope they come out. I too vote for 28mm for this period. Tom |
John Leahy | 20 Aug 2013 7:30 a.m. PST |
Tom is 'the man' for this period. He is an authority. So listen to his thoughts. Thanks, John |
Joes Shop | 20 Aug 2013 8:37 a.m. PST |
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kingscarbine | 20 Aug 2013 9:54 a.m. PST |
The Huachuca Illustrated is a great resource for the Apache Wars: link Also check the photos gallery as it has some great and inspirational images. |
OffensiveBruce | 20 Aug 2013 10:16 a.m. PST |
I can tell Tom is the man! Thanks for such a detailed and informative post. I have copied it to the boss. It looks like 28mm is the way to go, but that is not to say we might not do them in 1:72 another time. Watch this space! Garryowen (yes I know that's the 7th, but I was an Irish soldier, but not on a horse!) |
scarlinosr1 | 21 Aug 2013 4:55 p.m. PST |
I'm okay with 28's. Still have loads of them!!! Sal Sr out!! |
Mick O | 22 Aug 2013 5:45 p.m. PST |
My vote would be for 28 mm. To make even more desirable, would request that figures come with exchangeable heads and maybe even arms. Rational, like the Sash and Saber 40 mm ,with such a line can increase the selection and choice of figures. Thank you,Mike |
Old Tanker | 03 Oct 2013 6:22 p.m. PST |
I somehow missed the debut of this thread. Offensive Bruce, these are beautiful figures, and long overdue. The human proportions are great (the figures don't look like the chubby offerings of a couple of other companies that are making 25/28mm US Indian Wars Cavalry) and the weapons really look like scaled down versions of the 1873 Springfield carbines, Colt revolvers, and Winchester rifles. As I understand, the examples posted are 72nd scale (25mm). That scale would be fine, but I agreed with others on this forum that 28mm would probably be the best scale to pursue. Also, interchangeable heads, arms, headgear, and a separate sprue or two of those fine looking weapons would be great. And as much as I would like to see these figures in plastic, I understand the expense of plastic mold tooling. Please, get these US Cavalry figures into production soonest, and the Apaches, and the Plains Indians, and the horses they rode in on
Thank you. |
foggybottom | 31 Oct 2013 2:49 p.m. PST |
Hooray for the offer! 28mm would be perfect. And as many have said, the range is long overdue. I've purchased, painted, and love your WWII Germans and would like to see the same skills brought to bear on figures from the Indian Wars. |
sjwalker38 | 03 Nov 2013 3:26 a.m. PST |
Another vote for 28mm – the ideal size for large scale skirmishes. These look great, and if the photos are 1/72, the larger figures will be even better. I see that Galloping Major is start to release figures for exactly the same period Apache Wars Do you have a release date? |
Painter Jim | 31 Dec 2013 5:49 p.m. PST |
28mm is also my vote, you make them and I will by them. |
ger2me | 04 Mar 2014 4:39 p.m. PST |
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11th ACR | 04 Mar 2014 5:04 p.m. PST |
My vote would be for 28mm! |
sjwalker38 | 18 Nov 2014 12:28 p.m. PST |
Any news on this project? |
sjwalker38 | 23 Nov 2014 2:09 p.m. PST |
I contacted Offensive Miniatures direct – sadly they decided not to proceed any further with the project. :( Unless, of course, we can persuade them otherwise by bombarding them with emails to reconsider :) |
Old Tanker | 25 Nov 2014 2:58 p.m. PST |
Attention Offensive Miniatures! These are great figures, and long overdue! I'd offer you my first born to produce these figures in 28mm! (Well, he's actually 45 and lives in Colorado, but you can have him anyway…) Seriously, I've waited decades for someone to design and make truly good miniature US plains cavalry and Indian figures, and these are truly good. I urge you to reconsider. Thank you. |
sjwalker38 | 25 Nov 2014 3:27 p.m. PST |
Maybe worth considering a Kickstarter or in-house pre-order system to gauge demand (for 28mm) and decide if it's financially viable? |
Rev Zoom | 08 Dec 2014 3:53 p.m. PST |
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Bobgnar | 15 Dec 2014 3:39 p.m. PST |
At first sight, I thought them to be 54mm. |
Darkoath | 18 Feb 2015 7:01 p.m. PST |
Are they plastics? If so yes go with 1/72 or 54mm. The poses look a little too toy soldier stiff. Which is alright again if they are 1/72 or 54mm plastics. They need more detail and better posing if the are to be 28mm metals. |
viking | 07 Nov 2015 9:50 a.m. PST |
I find that there is a problem with the figures. The US cavalry did not carry their sabres into the field during the Indian Wars. They were left behind at the forts or bases because they would make too much noise in the field. It is Hollywood that gave the impression that they were used. |