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MarbotsChasseurs16 Aug 2013 4:17 a.m. PST

Hey everyone just finished two squadrons of the Auer Dragoons and starting on the Death Head Hussars which are a little harder to paint than the dragoons. First is on brown second on black horses. By the way where can I find some standards for cavalry?

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I am really loving the look of the 1806 Prussian army. Hope you guys like them!

Michael

VonBlucher16 Aug 2013 4:26 a.m. PST

Michael,
Good looking troops and my favorite army as well!!
John

ColonelToffeeApple16 Aug 2013 4:36 a.m. PST

Good work, keep it up.

nsolomon9916 Aug 2013 5:54 a.m. PST

Another fan of 1806 Prussians here.

Keraunos16 Aug 2013 5:58 a.m. PST

the easiest place to get all of the standards for 1806, is the hourtoulle histoire & collections book on Jena.

It has all of them, and they are clean enough to scan and manipulate for paper printing, if you so incline, or perfect for hand copying if you go that way.

selling for around ten quid UK these days.

MarbotsChasseurs17 Aug 2013 4:52 a.m. PST

Thanks everyone! Got some more questions for you guys this time. The Auer Dragoons have ten squadrons do Prussian players actually paint 10 squadrons or 5 which seems to be the total for most of the Dragoon Regiments.

It is amazing the Prussians ever lost their cavalry force is massive. I enjoy painting the Dragoons but the brigade with the Auer Dragoons I believe has 20-25 squadrons. Just not sure if I can paint that much!

Michael

VonBlucher17 Aug 2013 9:00 a.m. PST

Michael,
I've worked on the Queen's Dragoons and that's the only other 10 squadron regiment. You should do all 10 as they formed their own brigade, which is how they went to war.

The Hussars (10 squadroons units) would be brigaded together also, but broken up later for different missions.

John

von Winterfeldt17 Aug 2013 9:29 a.m. PST

great painting – I like your Prussian Dragoon blue, excellent

MarbotsChasseurs17 Aug 2013 10:27 a.m. PST

Thanks for the information! Great to hear nice things from two probably of the most well known Prussian scholars/fans! I am using James Arnold Crisis in the Snows page 411 Prussian OOB for my guide. It says the organization of L'Estocq corps had General-major von Kall commanding Hussars Regiment N 5, Towarczys N.9 and Auer Dragoons N.6 10 squadrons. So did von Auer command his regiment or was the regiment split up into two 5 squadron forces one command by the colonel and the other Lt. Colonel or major? It is confusing at least for me because at Eylau it seems they were in the advance guard with cossacks and horse artillery. However,von Auer seems to be in charge of the 3rd Division.

Von Blucher I will do the 10 squadrons and I am ordering two more dragoon regiment deals from Adler miniatures along with another battalion of french infantry. von Winterfeldt if you are interested it is Foundry Bavarian cornflower blue 73B. Not sure how it would work on larger miniatures but I like it for dragoons as well. Thanks for the help!

Michael

VonBlucher17 Aug 2013 12:24 p.m. PST

Michael,
Thanks, I tip my hat usually to von Winterfeld as he has allot of Primary sources in German and my own German stinks. I just have gathered an extreme amount of info on the 1809-07 Prussian Army, since I've been working on it for over 20 years.

Auer was the Chef/patron of the regiment, so it would commanded as you said. Also the 5th Hussars and the 9th Towarczys were also both 2 battalion regiments. The Towarcys also had a 3 battalion, that was an independent battalion, with a slight differnce in their uniform.

Not unusual as Bluchers advance guard division at Auerstadt had 2 Hussar regiments, one Dragoon Regiment, and a horse battery in one brigade and 3 Fusilier Battalions & a full battalion of Jagers in another Brigade.

I also figured you were doing Eylau, just by the choice of the regiments that you're working on. Also the Prussian gave a great showing and some payback versus Davout 3rd corp at the battle. Should be some fun.

John

von Winterfeldt18 Aug 2013 4:15 a.m. PST

Maybe of interest – regiment Auer und Königin had 10 squadrons, as Blücher stated – usually divided in 2 battalions of 5 squadrons each.

The Prussian dragoons were considered light cavalry because they were mounted on "Polish" remounts – two exceptions however regiments Nr. 4 and Nr. 5 retained two thirds German remounts and were classed as heavy cavalry.

All Prussian dragoon regiments of 1806 / 07 used "German" saddles.

Unfortunately the Prussian cavalry was often used piece meal, like Blücher's "great" attack at Auerstedt – 10 squadrons only – from 3 different regiments :

Heising Kürassiere – 5 squadrons
Reitzenstein Kürassiere – 3 squaddrons
Königin Dragoner – 2 squadrons

paulalba23 Aug 2013 6:05 p.m. PST

Wow so small and so nice,
I love the way you have picked out their faces.
Sweet!!!
Regards
Paul

MarbotsChasseurs24 Aug 2013 2:57 p.m. PST

Thanks! I just finished the first squadron of Death Head Hussars. They take a little longer to paint but look good. Can't wait to paint the Prussian/polish Lancers that should be arriving this week.

Michael

von Winterfeldt24 Aug 2013 11:35 p.m. PST

So you mean towarczys?
Do you paint the regiment or the battalion, the corps had 15 squadrons – a regiment of 10 and a so called battalion of 5.

MarbotsChasseurs25 Aug 2013 2:41 p.m. PST

I ordered two Towarczys regiments from Adler which I think is about 40-50 troopers. So that would be 3 squadrons almost to paint. I plan to do at least 5 squadrons of each of the regiments in Lestocq corps.

I only paint about four miniatures a day for cavalry and 12 for infantry. Will take awhile!

Michael

MarbotsChasseurs25 Aug 2013 5:11 p.m. PST

Just a quick question working on the second Death Head Hussar squadron. According to Prussian Cavalry of the Napoleonic Wars (1)1792-1807 on page 33 it says, "The color of the shako cords was used to distinguish the squadrons within a regiment."

Does anyone know the different shako colors for each squadron within Hussars regiment number 5?

VonBlucher25 Aug 2013 7:30 p.m. PST

I saw this and I've not seen it mentioned before. I always thought the cords matched the braiding on the uniform. I seen it mentioned that the Towarczys pendant was different for each squadron, but I've not seen what the colors were for each.

Maybe von Winterfeld has some more to add to this.

von Winterfeldt27 Aug 2013 4:55 a.m. PST

The cords and flounders at the mirliton were coloured in squaddron colours, all what is known it that the Leib squadron had white cords and flounders – the other colours are unknown (this is at least what Kling is writing about this).

When the shako was introduced (and some regiments did wear it in 1806) the cords stayed white for all and only the flounders where in squadron colours.

This can be seen at some contemporary plates as for exampe by Henschel.

My source :

Kling : Die hauptsächlichen Veränderungen der Uniformierung des Husaren – Regiments Fürst Blücher von Wahlstatt (Pomm.) Nr. 5 seit 1758

Weimar 1909

This is the only detailed study about Hussar uniforms I know about.
Maybe one has to check what is said in the 7YW about that topic.

Here some illustration about the Towarcys

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Here trompeter of battlion Towarcys (blue saddle cloth) and regiment (red saddle cloth)

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and a very usefull article by Geert van Uythoven

The Prussian Towarczy Corps

(Prussian inspection)
Translated and composed by Geert van Uythoven
Sources:
- "Stammliste aller Regimenter und Corps der Königlich-Preußischen Armee" (Berlin, 1799) pp. 232-235, 238.
- "Stammliste aller Regimenter und Corps der Königlich-Preußischen Armee. Für das Jahr 1804 (nebst Nachträgen und Verbesserungen bis zum 1sten Junius 1805" (Berlin, 1805) pp. 247-251.
- "Historische Notizen über das Offizier-Korps des ehemaligen Towarzys-Regiments vom Jahr 1806" by Major von Kesteloott, in "Militair-Wochenblatt" 6. Jahrgang (Berlin 1821) pp.1717-1718.
- "Historische Notizen über das Offizier-Korps des ehemaligen Bataillons Towarzys von 1806" by Major von Kesteloott, in "Militair-Wochenblatt" 6. Jahrgang (Berlin 1821) pp.1736-1737.

With many thanks to Jan W. Kowalik, for providing the Polish names of the garrison towns.


1) Regiment Towarczys (10 squadrons)


Garrison: Tykoczyn (Tykocin), Ostrolenka (Ostro³êka), Drohyczin (Drohiczyn), Kuyszyn (Knyszyn), Zabludow (Zab³udow), Bransk, Bockzy (Boczki), Wyzkowo (Wyszkow), Ostrow, and Lomza (£om¿a).


Uniform: Dark blue coat closed in front with ponceau red Polish turnbacks, cuffs, standing collar and likewise lining. The tails of the coat are hooked up, and lined with a small red stripe of clothing, the same as a cuirassier-collet. On every seam there are 8 half round buttons of a new pattern. The NCO's and private have a red cord on both shoulders, The turnbacks of the former also have a ‘Legaturtreffe' [‘lace'] attached to it. Further a white waistcoat. Long leather Hungarian breeches and hussar boots. Felt shako with plume, cordon and cockade. The shako differs from that of the hussar regiments, that it is somewhat wider at the top. With the officers, these are in addition lined with fringes. The uniform of the 10 squadrons Towarczys have yellow, and the 5 squadrons white buttons; these are the same colour as the colours for the shoulder straps, which for the 10 squadrons is yellow, white for the 5 squadrons. The officers on the contrary, have golden long-looped shoulders straps for the former, silver ones for the latter; with cords accordingly.
Of the 5 squadrons Towarczys, one consists of the original Tartars. Of these, as a distinction they had not the silver cords, but lace on their shoulder straps in the same colour. And the NCO's, Towarczys and privates have white instead of red cords on their shoulders. The Tartar-squadron has 72 privates. To distinguish them from the Towarczys, they have no shoulder straps. The same is the case with all trumpeters and all company / squadron blacksmith's [‘Fahnenschmieden']. The private Tartars wear white, all Towarczys however the usual NCO plume without any exception. The shape of it is however different again, that these are somewhat wider at the top then the are on the lower side. The officers wear cavalry sashes. The NCO's and privates however a red belt with white lining, and black leather sabretaches. Officers have no sabretache.
The armament of the Towarczys is a sabre, lance, and a pair of pistols.


Canton: Its canton is the lower nobility of New-, East-, and South-Prussia.


History:
- 1745: Under the name of Bosniaken Corps or later Regiment, they are incorporated with the Hussar Regiment No.5, one company (‘Fahne') strong.
- 1760: The Regiment is augmented to 10 companies.
- 1763: Reduced to one company again.
- 1771: It was ordered that the Bosniaken would part from the Hussar Regiment No.5 to form a separate Corps, and to be augmented to 10 squadrons; this was achieved by enlisting men from other cavalry regiments and new recruits. The officers came for the greater part from the Hussar Regiment No.5.
- 1788: The Corps is completely separated from the Hussar Regiment No.5.
- 1800: The Bosniaken Regiment is dissolved. The privates are for the greater part enlisted in the other hussar regiments. Instead of the Bosniaken, from the lower nobility of the new Prussian provinces, a Corps of 15 squadrons is raised. This Corps receive the name of a Regiment and a Battalion of Towarczys. Most officers of the Bosniaken Regiment go to this new Corps, augmented with chosen officers from other regiments.
- 1807: The regiment is disbanded.


Campaigns:
- 1757: The company took part in the battle of Groß-Jägerndorf.
- 1758-1759: In Pommern and Silesia.
- 1761-1762: Now 10 companies strong, the Regiment was in Silesia during the whole period, distinguishing itself during heavy fighting in the combat near Cant.
- 1762: Distinguishing itself in the action near Adelsbach, as well as at Hohenfriedberg, Langenbeile, and Burkersdorf. Part of the Regiment covered the siege of Schweidnitz. The other part was detached to Saxony, were it took part in the march to Thüringen during which they distinguished themselves because of their bravery.
- 1778: During the war of the Bavarian succession the were with the king's army.
- 1794: Participated in the Polish campaign. A squadron, together with about 200 fusiliers of Bataillon No.6, defeated an enemy force of about 700 men which attacked Piontnitza, inflicting heavy loss. Next, four squadrons and two companies of the Füsilierbataillon No.6, without cannon however, attacked the enemy in Collno. They captured two small iron cannon and an 8-pdr Russian unicorn. The withstood the enemy cannon fire for ten hours, and evacuated the city only when it was set on fire by the enemy, but not before they captured also part of their baggage. Further, three squadrons were present at the glorious engagement when the enemy --which had occupied the height near Demnicki and Sboyne village with 6,000 men, six cannon, and a howitzer-- was completely defeated, the heights of Demicki taken, all redoubts and all the guns captured, while the enemy was driven from Sboyne as well. Near Czarnutzin, a command of 200 horse took many prisoners and captured 35 horses. After that, the enemy was dislodged from Kordowa by a command of 150 Bosniaken. 170 Bosniaken, supported by one hundred fusiliers, chased General von Rornokowsky with several hundred men near Roczan back across the Narew. Four squadrons were present at the glorious combat near Magniszewo, were an enemy corps of 6,000 men was completely defeated, losing six cannon, and were a general, 11 officers, and 400 others were taken prisoner.


Chefs:
- 1745: Colonel von Ruesch: chef of the Hussar Regiment No.5; discharged as major-general.
- 1758: Colonel von Beust: chef of the Hussar Regiment No.5; died.
- 1765: Colonel von Lossow: became in 1771 chef of the 10 companies, and general-major; died as a lieutenant-general.
- 1783: Major-General von Hohenstock: separated them from the Hussar Regiment No.5.
- 1788: Colonel von Günther: received in 1795 the Inspection of the Tartarenpulk; died as a lieutenant-general.
- 1803: Major-General von l'Estocq.


Officers in 1806:
- Lieutenant-General von l'Estocq: died in 1810 as governor of Berlin.
- Major-General von Kall: pensioned when the regiment was disbanded in 1807; rothen Adler-Orden; died in 1812 in Biala.

- Major von Jeaneret: pensioned as general-major; in 1820 living in Landsberg on the Warte.
- Major von Konarsky: pensioned in 1806; lived in Faulbach near Johannisburg, died there in 1817.
- Major von Wiede: pensioned as lieutenant-colonel; in 1820 living in Ostrow, one of the former garrisons of the regiment.
- Major von Gerhardt: was killed in the battle of Heilsberg in 1807.

- Rittmeister [‘Cavalry-captain'] Corsepp: pensioned when the regiment was disbanded in 1807; died in October 1819 in Bransk, one of the former garrisons of the regiment.
- Rittmeister Michaelis: was major of the Provinzial-Invaliden-Kompagnie in Tapiau; died there in 1811.
- Rittmeister von Saint Paul: as a major he was commander of the 3. Brandenburgisches Ulanen-Regiment. Died in Crossen in 1812.
- Rittmeister Lar. von Starkenfels: as a major-general he was in 1820 commander of the 11th Cavalry Brigade.

- Stabs-Rittmeister von Golnitz: pensioned as major; in 1820 living in Sarken near Lyck.
- Stabs-Rittmeister Kayser: pensioned as lieutenant-colonel; died in August 1819 in Wartenberg.
- Stabs-Rittmeister Kopka: pensioned as major; in 1820 living in Darkehnen in Lithuania.
- Stabs-Rittmeister von Kasetzky: died in 1806 in Sykolozyn, one of the garrisons of the regiment [?].

- 1st Lieutenant von Poblotzky: pensioned as Rittmeister; in 1820 living in Berlin.
- 1st Lieutenant von Schön: died in 1806 in Sondjencz, one of the garrisons of the regiment [?].
- 1st Lieutenant von Bartkowsky: pensioned when the regiment was disbanded in 1807, in 1820 living in Zabludow (Zab³udow), one of the former garrisons of the regiment.
- 1st Lieutenant von Manstein: died in 1807 in Tapiau.
- 1st Lieutenant von Furtenbach: pensioned as Rittmeister.
- 1st Lieutenant von Kesteloott: as a major placed on half-pay on 1 April 1817; living in Berlin.

- 2nd Lieutenant Domisch: died in 1807 in Mehlsack.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Blacha: colonel with the 2. Leib-Husaren-Regiment; died on 8 October 1820 in Wohlau.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Grabowsky: pensioned as major; after that Landrath of Bromberger Kreises.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Wegnern: was killed during the storming of Soldau in 1806.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Naurath: died in 1809 in Western Prussia.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Witzleben: in 1820 Rittmeister with the 2. Schlesisches Ulanen-Regiment.
- 2nd Lieutenant Dallmer: in 1820 major with the 1. Westpreußisches Ulanen-Regiment.
- 2nd Lieutenant John: in 1820 Rittmeister with the 2. Schlesisches Ulanen-Regiment.
- 2nd Lieutenant Heydweiler: pensioned as Rittmeister when the regiment was disbanded in 1807; after that a civilian occupation on the Rhine.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Schlichting: pensioned.
- 2nd Lieutenant Wachavsky: died as Rittmeister in 1820.
- 2nd Lieutenant Dietrich alias von Schenk: died in October 1818 in Cöpnick.
- 2nd Lieutenant Gebhardt: as Rittmeister, in 1820 postmaster in Ruppin.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Höval: discharged in 1807.
- 2nd Lieutenant Dallmer: was killed in the battle of Lützen in 1813.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Michaelis: died as Rittmeister.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Tyska: civilian occupation in 1820.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Ciemiewsky: discharged with a pension because of a wound sustained during the battle of Lützen in 1813.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Podbielsky: in 1820 Rittmeister with the 4. Pommersches Ulanen-Regiment.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Drigalsky: died suddenly.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Wimer: transferred to the Gendarmerie; after that discharged; in 1820 living near Kitschen.

- Cornet von Podscharly: in 1820 Rittmeister with the 5. Westfälisches Ulanen-Regiment.
- Cornet von Lupinsky: in 1820 Rittmeister with the Garde-Landwehr-Kavallerie-Regiment.
- Cornet von Koppelow: died.
- Cornet von Altenberg: unknown.
- Cornet von Zalewsky: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the regiment in 1807.
- Cornet von Mojewsky: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the regiment in 1807.
- Cornet von Lupinsky: transferred to the Gendarmerie. After that discharged, in 1820 living in Upper-Silesia.
- Cornet von Leo: discharged.
- Cornet von Wiewsnewsky: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the regiment in 1807.
- Cornet von Woitkowsky: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the regiment in 1807.

Lower staff of the regiment:
- Regimental quartermaster and auditor Heinrichs: discharged as 2nd lieutenant; in 1820 living in the Amt Lyck.
- Army-chaplain Herker: unknown.
- Auditor Skalley: as 2nd lieutenant killed in the battle of Lützen in 1813.
- Regimental surgeon von Roszynsky: discharged with a pension; in 1820 living in Eastern Prussia.



2) Bataillon Towarczys (5 squadrons)


Garrison: Augustowa (Augustow), Riagrod (Rajgrow), Suchawolla (Suchowola), Janow, and Lipsk.


Uniform: See the Regiment Towarczys.


Canton: Same as for the regiment.


History:
- 1800: The first four squadrons have the same origins as those of the regiment; the 5th squadron however is based on the former Tartarenpulk of 5 squadrons, raised by King Friedrich Wilhelm II in December 1795. As such it was given the name ‘Tartar Squadron'. In addition, the officers of the Tartarenpulk were kept, promotion only among themselves, while those of the other squadrons rank with the army.
- 1807: The battalion is disbanded.


Commandeur:
- 1800: Major Schimmelpfennig von der Oye.


Officers in 1806:
- Major and commanding officer Schimmelpfennig von der Oye: pensioned as lieutenant-colonel; died in 1813 on his Layken estate near Insterburg.
- Major Goell: discharged with a pension when the battalion was disbanded in 1807; in 1820 living on the Rhine.

- Rittmeister von Sieranowsky: pensioned as lieutenant-colonel; died in 1814 on his Satzkowen estate near Ortelsburg.
- Rittmeister von Stolfersoth: died in 1812 in Jostrow, one of the garrisons of the regiment [?].

- Stabs-Rittmeister von Glaser: died in 1813 in Johannisburg.
- Stabs-Rittmeister von Wilzewsky: pensioned as major; in 1820 living in Prussian Wartenberg.

- 1st Lieutenant Wolky: pensioned as colonel; in 1820 living on his Lindenau estate near Mehlsack.
- 1st Lieutenant Beier: colonel in 1820, responsible for buying horse harnesses; living in Berlin.
- 1st Lieutenant von Moerner: in 1820 major with the 5. Westfälisches Ulanen-Regiment.

- 2nd Lieutenant Preuß: unknown.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Drigalsky: Rittmeister with the Gendarmerie; discharged in 1819.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Tallotzko: unknown.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Wildowsky: pensioned as major; in 1820 Ober-Kasernen-Inspektor in Königsberg in Prussia.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Chaleky: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the battalion in 1807.
- 2nd Lieutenant Tarlo: in 1820 Rittmeister with the Gendarmerie.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Thiele: in 1820 Rittmeister with the 2. Schlesisches Ulanen-Regiment.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Zeromsky: in 1820 1st lieutenant with the 2. Schlesisches Ulanen-Regiment.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Baranowsky: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the battalion in 1807.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Stugotzky: in 1820 Rittmeister with the Posener Landwehr-kavallerie-Regiment.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Norelly: died in 1816 in the vicinity of Sedan.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Uniaczewsky: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the battalion in 1807.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Newieka: returned to his fatherland after the disbandment of the battalion in 1807.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Ledebur: placed with the cavalry.
- 2nd Lieutenant von Tyska: in 1820 1st lieutenant with the 2. Schlesisches Ulanen-Regiment.

Lower staff of the battalion:
- Regimental quartermaster Kopka: in 1820 having a civilian occupation.
- Army-chaplain Herker: unknown.
- Regimental surgeon Geitner: pensioned; died later.

© Geert van Uythoven

MarbotsChasseurs27 Aug 2013 12:49 p.m. PST

Wow great information! So the flounders were in squadron colors. Seems that data is very hard to find. Maybe I get to make up my own! Those pictures are great are there anymore like that von Winterfeldt?

Michael

von Winterfeldt27 Aug 2013 1:28 p.m. PST

I can give you the cord colours, cockade colour and lance penant colours for each squadron of the Towarczys as well.

Regiment Towarczys

1. Squadron (Leib) – white
2. black
3. darkred
4. light red
5. green
6. green-white-gree
7. green-red
8. white – red
9. black – yellow – black
10. orangeyellow

Battalion Towarczys

1. (Leib) white
2. black
3. dark red
4. ponceau (poppy) red
5. Dark green

I presume in 5 mm you won't bother about NCOs and nobleman volunteers

For pictures I must have a look.

MarbotsChasseurs27 Aug 2013 2:39 p.m. PST

Just awesome! So much great information here.

Would the cord colors also work for the hussars? The nco's have a white plume with a black tip correct?

Michael

von Winterfeldt27 Aug 2013 11:47 p.m. PST

I guess it would work with the hussars – in fact – a good idea to use them – for NCOs – correct – see tha above photo – there you see an NCO with the lance attacking a French infantryman

MarbotsChasseurs28 Aug 2013 6:33 p.m. PST

Thanks again! Whenever I paint a squadron I try to put a NCO on each end of the companies so I can know how to properly line the squadrons up. If you look at the picture the NCOs are at the ends in the front row.

Just making sure I understand your information for example the 7th squadron would have half green half red lance pennon and would have green shako cords and green cockade? In your first picture the lancer on the far right is from the 7th squadron correct?

Michael

von Winterfeldt28 Aug 2013 11:27 p.m. PST

For the 7th squadadron I would paint the cords, flounders and cocakde – green / read – the cocade green with red circles in it, the lance pennon, as you describe – and yes 7th squadron as well.
In 6 mm – it will be quite difficult to realize all this.

Here a photo of Bataillon Towarczys – 4 th squadron officers, NCOs and Towarcys.

For officers, most portraits show the new shako with visor.

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von Winterfeldt28 Aug 2013 11:31 p.m. PST

and here 5th squadron the former Tartaren Pulk, again from the battalion Towarczys

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I wish AB would do them.

MarbotsChasseurs29 Aug 2013 6:51 a.m. PST

Thank you again! I like that officer uniform on the right I will have to do a head swap with my Prussian hussars. Most likely for the 7th squadron and all of the squadrons I will paint them in one color that you have provided and paint the pennons in two colors if it calls for it.

Hopefully they will arrive today and I will start posting WIPS this weekend. Most likely I will start with the battalion Towarczys just because you seem to have provided more pictures of them to guide me through the painting process!

Michael

von Winterfeldt29 Aug 2013 7:30 a.m. PST

Bear in mind – the battalion had only 5 Squadrons, personally I prefer the regiment – just by chance I had more illustrations of the battalion, looking forward to see your figures.

MarbotsChasseurs03 Sep 2013 5:24 p.m. PST

Just received the miniatures today and they look great! Two regiments of dragoons and 1 regiment of Towarczys. Will start to paint them tomorrow or thursday hopefully. First squadron hopefully finished this weekend!

Did the Towarczys carry a standard? I was under the impression that Hussars did not and it seems that the Towarczys would follow the same organization. Any details would be great.

Thanks
Michael

von Winterfeldt15 Sep 2013 6:42 a.m. PST

Seemingly each squadron had a squadron "pennon" – bigger than the usual ones, I found those plates.

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I have no clue if they were different to each squadron – or identical, the red ober white would be Regiment Towarczys, the light blue over white battalion – the black over white is just a usual lance pennon for a Fahnenjunker.

To make matters more complicated, there the pennons of the Regiments Bosniaken (which were used to form the Towarcys) in summer dress 1798

First is an officer with Regimental pennon / standard, sedond one pennon of the second Battalion and third is a squadron standard / pennon

I have to find the regimental history of the second Prussian Ulanen where the Bornisaken and Tataren Pulk, which formed the Towarcys in 1800 as well as the Towarcys are covered

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VonBlucher17 Sep 2013 4:36 a.m. PST

von Winterfeldt,
Thanks, and allot of great info on the Towarcys.
Now if we can ever get Tony Barton to sculpt them or wait to see if Russ's at Old Glory will produce them.
John

von Winterfeldt17 Sep 2013 5:55 a.m. PST

von Blücher

Sho Boki did already some nice Towarczys – in his thread about Murat he told that he will re – do the moulds.

Towarczys from AB would be nice was well, otherwise I will pass Old Glory – not my style and taste at all.

MarbotsChasseurs15 Apr 2014 1:25 p.m. PST

A little update.

Decided to make each 8 man block a squadron.

Towarczys Regiment. First and Second Squadron
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Prussian cavalry coming slowly but surely!

VonBlucher18 Apr 2014 4:33 a.m. PST

Good looking group and Prussian cavalry to take time to paint, but they are fun to do.

MarbotsChasseurs18 Apr 2014 7:09 a.m. PST

Finishing the cavalry will be very rewarding. The uniforms are so good looking and the large force will look great on the table. I still can't understand how the Prussian cavalry was not more dominating. It is such a large force I can only imagine it comes down to tactics and lack of coordination which led them to defeat by French cavalry. Von blucher or anyone can anyone explain the pre reforms cavalry tactics of the Prussians.

thank you

VonBlucher18 Apr 2014 8:23 p.m. PST

The Prussian Cavalry brigades were attached to the divisions, so no coordination between the brigades, which is why Blucher led them at Auerstadt. Also the Prussians never went in with all the aquadrons ftom a regiment, as they kept a reserve. Most of Blucher attacks came without any infantry support, as he didn't wait for them to come up. His big charge with the equivalent of 4 regiments that he attacked with, was really only 8 to 10 squadrons, and not the full 20 squadrons that made up these regiments.

I'm sure von Winterfeldt, will pop in and add some more info to this.

von Winterfeldt23 Apr 2014 10:50 a.m. PST

Mostly lack of co-ordination, no real cavalry leaders, piecemeal use, in case of being well used, the Prussian cavalry could be dangerous, they captured two eagles in 1807 in case I remember correctly.

There is a realy good book on this :

Jany, Curt : Der Preußische Kavalleriedienst vor 1806, Berlin 1904

von Winterfeldt24 Apr 2014 2:09 a.m. PST

Blüchers "big" attack – 10 Squadrons from 3 regiments – no more than about 1000 – 1200 troopers

Glenn Pearce29 Apr 2014 6:42 a.m. PST

Hello MarbotsChasseurs!

Excellent project, very well done. Keep it up.

Best regards,

Glenn

KTravlos29 Apr 2014 7:52 a.m. PST

Good Show to all!

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