"Tell me about "Pike and Shotte" rules by Warlord" Topic
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IGWARG1 | 14 Aug 2013 10:26 a.m. PST |
I am familiar with "Black Powder" and "Hail Caesar". How "Pike and Shotte" differ from those sets? What did you find interesting about the rules? What didn't you like about the rules. How do they depict 16th and 17th century warfare? How do they reflect historical tactics and formations? Thanks. |
Pictors Studio | 14 Aug 2013 2:45 p.m. PST |
Pike and Shotte is good for somethings. The earlier period that the rules cover, the Italian Wars and some of the 16th century stuff, up to probably 1580 and a bit beyond are good. When you get into the later TYW and the ECW that is where the rules break down as far as reflecting historical tactics. The pike are far too powerful and an all pike army would have a significant advantage over a pike and shotte army. This isn't just a problem of setting the game up, but would lead to ahistorical tactics in the way the units would fight on the table top, assuming that anyone was actually trying to win rather than just do historical things. So the problem with the rules is that they don't work for Western European Warfare in the mid 17th century. I use them for Eastern European Warfare in the early 17th century and all of the 16th century and they work well. The rules do come back again for the end of the 17th century so if you are looking at gaming 9YW they would work well for that. |
Midpoint | 14 Aug 2013 7:02 p.m. PST |
I quite like the other Warlord rules, but the basic conceptualisation of a unit in these rules put me off – shot sleeves being semi-autonomous. I was very much hoping for a mixed unit to be considered as a whole/self-contained rules-wise. My personal prejudices, others will feel differently I'm sure. |
Puster | 15 Aug 2013 3:32 a.m. PST |
Indeed. Personally I feel that any fixed cooperation that does not allow for independent action of pikes and shot would make the rules unusable for all but a very very narrow spectrum of battles. |
Yesthatphil | 15 Aug 2013 5:19 a.m. PST |
I did not like the separate treatment of pike and shot components, nor the way horse could easily charge steady foot in the open. I didn't feel they gave any flavour of the period (ECW, in my case)
but they do seem popular Phil |
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