chrach7 | 25 Jun 2013 4:32 p.m. PST |
I'd like to add some Polish or Czech armored units to my Cold War Soviet forces. Were there any distinguishing paint schemes or markings to set them apart from the soviets? I saw several images online of Czech tanks with a white stripe running the length of the tank but I'm not sure if that was common. |
Chalfant | 25 Jun 2013 5:18 p.m. PST |
Czechs and Poles used a vehicle specific to them, the OT-64/SKOT
kind of like a BTR, but not :) Sorry, off your actual question, just thought I would suggest that. The white stripe thing you can find on Soviet tanks too
. I don't "think" that is anything to do with national markings. Chalfant |
11th ACR | 25 Jun 2013 5:29 p.m. PST |
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optional field | 25 Jun 2013 5:45 p.m. PST |
The Czechs also used Skdfz 251 based vehicle which they called the OT-810. The major external differences between the OT-810 and the Sdkfz 251 are the firing ports and the armored roof both of which are present on the 810 but not the 251. There was also the OT-62, which was a tracked APC. |
11th ACR | 25 Jun 2013 7:12 p.m. PST |
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Chalfant | 25 Jun 2013 7:20 p.m. PST |
I have looked through some Ospreys, I see specific Romanian, Hungarian, and DDR national markings. No Poles or Czechs shown, which is strange. Searched online, the Polish symbol is a small white and red "checkered" pattern on their armor. See here
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The Czech one is a circle, divided into white, blue, and red, see here (I can't link to photos of real tanks, but its the same as on this diecast)
link I'm not sure, maybe the Czechs put this on both the left and right side corners? Chalfant |
Chalfant | 25 Jun 2013 7:23 p.m. PST |
I posted links so 11th ACR wouldn't have to :) (thanks, I should have thought to link to an OT-64 article) Chalfant |
11th ACR | 25 Jun 2013 9:07 p.m. PST |
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Hayden | 25 Jun 2013 9:49 p.m. PST |
depending on era OT-810 was in service until 1974 where they was put into storage areas, in case of wars these machines was ment for reservist recon battalions not as apc. during Afganistan war soviet forces started to adopt camoflage patterns on vehicles even on europe, i remebering few BMPs in camopattern when they pulling out from Czechoslovakia. Also from few photos in my grandfather albums (he was Colonel equivalent in ČSLA) i saw T-72 maybe T80 hard to tell in camo and i think he tells it was around 82-83. colors look liked beige and green but that photos wasnt perfect so they maybe little different there is myth that ČSLA and Soviets didnt use camo iam not sure about Poles and Hungarians
also for those want to check numbers of vehicles in ČSLA try my topic in Cold-war commander forums link |
Martin Rapier | 25 Jun 2013 11:10 p.m. PST |
Personally I just paint them all green to be done with it, equipment differences apart. One more colourful differentiator are aircraft, where the markings are more prominent. |
nickinsomerset | 25 Jun 2013 11:48 p.m. PST |
GSFG had T-64 and T-80, Polish, Czech and NVA T-72. As above some specific non Soviet vehicles such as the FUG-70, OTs etc. In GSFG vehicles were standard green, no cam (Early-mid 80s)The training Companies of GSFG formations would have a large white cross on the turret/upper hull. Tally Ho! |
Porkmann | 26 Jun 2013 6:05 a.m. PST |
Didn't the Czechs wear tartan? :-) |
tuscaloosa | 14 Oct 2013 11:15 a.m. PST |
The white turret stripes sometimes seen on photographs were identification markings during the Soviet invasion of Budapest in '56 and Prague in '68, to differentiate Soviet vehicles from the Hungarian or Czech vehicles. |
marcin2501 | 14 Oct 2013 11:29 a.m. PST |
National (and tactical) markings on Warsaw Pact vehicles were to be painted over in case of war, so you don't have to bother with them ;) |
Flecktarn | 15 Oct 2013 3:59 a.m. PST |
The Poles are the ones attacking eastwards:). As marcin says, all Warsaw Pact armies were under orders to get rid of national emblems and tactical markings if a shooting war looked likely. Jurgen |
French Wargame Holidays | 24 Feb 2014 6:18 a.m. PST |
a few differences polish veh were all green infantry wore unique raindrop uniforms majority T62s OT Skot |
creativeguy | 24 Feb 2014 1:59 p.m. PST |
At some point I will do Pact forces in addition to my Soviets
in 3mm I am wondering how much color variation to have. I tend to paint my forces a bit lighter in color so they look right on the table and don't become dark blobs. The frustrating thing is seeing all the color plates that vary in color too. Some look light green, then you see another that seems dark green and so on
. considering I am a graphic designer who gets caught up in color for my day job
.it kinda drives me nuts. |
Mako11 | 24 Feb 2014 6:11 p.m. PST |
From my research on Bundeswehr, and US camo colors, I think the lighter and darker colors you are seeing are due to either one, or more of the following: 1. film type used by the cameraman; 2. amount of ambient light from the sun, and/or cloudcover; 3. fading of paint over time; 4. and, dust and grime from being in the field. I've seen white striping on Soviet/Russian vehicle hullsides too. That usually only seems to be present when they put the vehicles on parade, so suspect that might be the same for the Czech vehicles too. I'd suggest just finding a nice, mid-range color that you think suitable, and use that. Then, the vehicles can be used for various countries, as desired in your scenarios. |
11th ACR | 24 Feb 2014 8:29 p.m. PST |
"I've seen white striping on Soviet/Russian vehicle hull sides too. That usually only seems to be present when they put the vehicles on parade," This was SOP for the Soviet Guard's units station in the Moscow Garrison. This would be the same Garrion units that took sides with Yeltsen. Also the Guards shield on the side of the Turrets. After the Wall and Fence went down I traveled over in to 8th Guards Army's area and observed some of the posts and Motor Pools and Airfields. Standerd Markings No White walls or Pin Stripes or Guards Shields. Spit and Polish Just like the U.S. Berlin Brig Waxing there vehicles. And the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard)Fort Myer VA. And the Queen's Guard in the British Army. Now the Airborne wings on the sides of the BMD's well the units that went in to Afghanistan did have them. |