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Smokey Roan31 May 2013 9:32 a.m. PST

For Boxer Rebellion games, where sieges are the emphasis and not open battles, ie small groups of defenders in fortifications vs hordes of Boxers, do you think TSATF is better than, say, specific last stand type rules, like these?

I love that Rorke's Drift rules system, use it all the time. Never done a Peking type game using TSATF, as the unit parameters, and unit action instead of more individual figure action, seem a bit too general, and ill suited.




RudyNelson31 May 2013 9:50 a.m. PST

The first game I playeed with larry back in 1984 was a Boxer Siege of Peking scenario. Use them if you want that level of action.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian31 May 2013 10:09 a.m. PST

TSATF has a Boxer Rebellion supplement that works quite well.

I do know the Age of Eagles/Fire & Fury system is also being adapted to a Boxer variant.

tinned fruit Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2013 10:21 a.m. PST

The Red Shadow site has some great rules for TSATF siege situations:-

John Leahy31 May 2013 10:25 a.m. PST

Yeah, we have played some of the scenarios in that Scenario book and it worked fine.



Personal logo Wolfshanza Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2013 11:25 a.m. PST

We've played the "natives are restless" boxer game a few times and really enjoyed it. Most seem to be cliffhangers. I hate it when the relief column never appears, though <sigh>
I'm a big fan of TSATF, also.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2013 11:35 a.m. PST

Battle For Empires is a F&F type set of colonial rules. A new, revised second edition is coming soon, but it is a higher level game with each four stands being the equivalent to a company.

Jakar Nilson31 May 2013 12:22 p.m. PST

Slightly off-topic, but I found that TSATF 20th anniversary edition simulated the basics of trench warfare fairly well, be it troops behind walls, small rises or in trenches.

Personal logo Rrobbyrobot Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2013 12:40 p.m. PST

I think TSATF is just the thing for the kind of games you mentioned.

Smokey Roan31 May 2013 12:58 p.m. PST

Maybe smaller units? My typical fort defense game has walls, sections, buildings defended by 4-5 men and a leader as a unit.

I guess TSATF would work with 5 man units each defending a section?

As for Boxers, 20-25 man units are the norm anyway, so no problems there.

rvandusen Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2013 1:04 p.m. PST

Colonial Adventures by Two Hour Wargames also works well for Boxer Rising games. The organization is the same as TSAF,so you can easily switch back and forth.

Personal logo Rrobbyrobot Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2013 1:09 p.m. PST

I don't see a problem with that. TSATF is meant to be flexible. Of course, if your really worried about it. The author's Daughter is a TMPer. Contact her through Sergeants Three. Or PM her. She's Lilibulero. That is that's her member name.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse31 May 2013 3:15 p.m. PST

TSATF works quite well.
My friend Jim has a scenario book centered on Admiral
Seymour's relief column, with 10 figure units.
Here is the website of the guy who wrote them:

Don't get caught up in the Siege. There were a LOT of open field skirmishes, reliefs, battles, etc.

Smokey Roan31 May 2013 4:33 p.m. PST

Yes John, but the siege, with Charleton Heston, is where the drahma is :)

DinOfBattle231 May 2013 5:04 p.m. PST

You could use Din of Battle 2nd edition if you like.

Link to Rules page:

Link to my Boxer Rebellion battles and campaign:

deflatermouse01 Jun 2013 1:59 p.m. PST

Wargames Illustrated had rules for "55 minutes in Peking". 5 pages.An excellent game, I've played it twice. Very enjoyable.
Will try to dig the issuse number out

Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2020 9:43 a.m. PST

Wargames Illustrated #27

Mad Guru Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2020 12:19 a.m. PST


Seven and a half years later and you post the answer. You are my HERO, and in the name of our fellow colonial wargamers, sir, I humbly THANK YOU. Good show, my friend!

Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2020 9:51 a.m. PST

MG, you are very welcome! I am running a TSATF Boxer game this coming Saturday and so I turned to TMP for inspiration. The scenario in WI #27 is very good indeed, though I had to pare it down to use with my 54mm collection. Stay tuned for photos in a week!

SgtGuinness Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2020 11:33 a.m. PST

That is absolutely hilarious and WAY COOL at the same time! 7.5 years later, I love it. I'm looking forward to what you get on with Nick.

coolyork13 Nov 2020 2:26 p.m. PST

Im with John the OFM . I would much rather fight the field engagements then a siege any day of the week !

Basha Felika13 Nov 2020 3:29 p.m. PST

The "55 Minutes.." rules were ideal for a multi-player participation game. I think there was a follow-up article with a more detailed version as well?

And the scenario book inspired by the Seymour Expedition is great.

Rules: when/if I get the forces painted, I'll use Ospreys's MWWBK with some tweaks for the period.

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