"ImagiNation ORBAT and SYW ranks" Topic
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Count Belisarius | 31 May 2013 2:02 a.m. PST |
I've been (rather optimistically I must admit!) putting together a proposed Order of Battle for my ImagiNation of Altefritzenburg. Details are on my blog: link Eventually each 'brigade' will link to a page of uniforms and painted units (have started this with the Legion). What I'm struggling to find and fix is the details on ranks and who would (in theory) command what size unit. I've based my force on a sort of Austrian/Germanic theme (apart from the Colonial chaps who are French'ish!) so would be grateful of some pointers to details of ranks and abbreviations for the SYW period? Also, I've used a Napoleonic font for the symbols. Is anyone aware of something more 'in period'? Thanks for looking Andy |
MajorB | 31 May 2013 2:19 a.m. PST |
Very generally speaking: Captain in command of a company. Lieutenant colonel commands a battalion Colonel commands a regiment Brigadier general commands a brigade Major general, Lieutenant general or full general in command of higher formations. This can vary. |
timurilank | 31 May 2013 2:31 a.m. PST |
I suggest Kronoskaf.com for the organization details including rank in German: link Cheers, |
Count Belisarius | 31 May 2013 2:47 a.m. PST |
Some of the info is on Kronoskaf but I want to get the correct German/Austrian ranks at each level of command. I've found some for the 19th century but not sure how much this would change? Also looking for the corresponding cavalry and artillery? When i get access to my laptop later i'll post what I have so far. Andy |
Der Alte Fritz | 31 May 2013 5:47 a.m. PST |
Do you have access to a copy of Christopher Duffy's book "The Army of Frederick the Great" ? He has a diagram of a battalion depicting the companies and where the various odd ices and NCOs stood when the battalion was formed in line. I keep a copy of the book at work and could make a scan of the page for you. I will just need your email address. Cheers Jim |
Count Belisarius | 31 May 2013 3:07 p.m. PST |
Hi Jim, Got that. Brilliant. Thanks. OK Here is what I'm trying to get together for the bigger picture: Infantry: Unit, Commander, Austrian/Germanic Term Platoon, Lieutenant, Leutnant Company, Captain, Hauptman Battalion, Lieutenant-Colonel, Oberstleutnant Regiment, Colonel, Oberst Cavalry Unit, Commander, Austrian/Germanic Term Squadron, Captain, Rittmeister Regiment, Major, Major Artillery: Unit, Commander, Austrian/Germanic Term Battery, Captain, Stueckhauptmann? Brigades and higher formations I assume would just be a mix of Generalmajor, Feldmarschalleutnant, Generaloberst? With ADCs etc. being assorted ranks from Leutnant upwards? Does that make sense? :) Andy |
andygamer | 31 May 2013 8:50 p.m. PST |
Garamond, Caslon, and Baskerville are early typefaces you could use. Addendum: Oh, you meant for the regiment, brigade etc. block symbols not typefaces. The period battle maps usually just show the open-faced rectangle or square for an infantry btn or regt with the little vertical line sticking out of it in the centre. And the same with the cavalry squares except with the corner-to-corner slash mark. I've never seen any special mark for anything higher than a regt in organization like a brigade. |
OSchmidt | 03 Jun 2013 12:05 p.m. PST |
Dear Count Bellisarius Try Blackadder. I used it for my Imagi-Nation World Map (40 8 1/2 by 11 pages. You can download it from several sources. If you can' t find it, send me an e-mail at sigurd@eclipse.net and I'll attach it to the note. |
Count Belisarius | 03 Jun 2013 1:53 p.m. PST |
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OSchmidt | 04 Jun 2013 6:17 a.m. PST |
In my army for the Imagi-Nation country of Saxe-Burlap und Schleswig Beerstein, the army has three orders of ranks. The first is those by merit, the second is those by seniority, and the third is by purchase. The reason for this is simple, the Princess (Catherine, nee Trina, nee Trixie) and the Chancellor (Major Domo-- his first dame is Major and his last name is Domo, and he is the Major Domo of the Palace as well) hold that merit should obviously be rewarded, but also slow dutiful though perhaps uninspired service should not go unrewarded, and third that there are many rich fools who are soon parted from their money, and there is no reason that upon that parting the money should fall into the hands of the state, allow the purchase of ranks. These three orders are differentiated by the color of the sash, Pink for Merit, White for Seniority and Red for purchase. The red is so people will see them coming and run away. Anyway the money gained from the purchase goes to support the regiment so it's sort of a tax. The purchase of the various ranks also, depending on office, determines which of the fabulous parties the PRincess regularly throws (there are 235 registered legal holidays, commemoration days, feast days, saints days, ball days, and party days in the Saxe-Burlapian Calendar) and political it may be said that the whole government is a one party state--one party all day, all the time. These days frequently overlap and not all of them are clear holidays. Many of these days are the official days for balls and parties like the Postman's Ball, the Fullers and Dye Workers Ball, the Composers Ball, the Toy makers parade etc., and are major fund-raisers for these guilds. It should be noted that the geographical extent of Saxe-Burlap und Schleswig Beerstein is basically Germany less the major allods of Hanover, Prussia, Bavaria Hesse and a few others. The rest of the Kleinstaaterei being united by a Tontine formed at the end of the War of the Austrian Succession, which the father of the princess won. Anyway, this may seem hopelessly complicated but it works well and the purchasers of commissions or ranks are not required to be with the regiment and can absent themselves when they wish. Most just want to wear the snazzy uniform and impress the uninformed and gullible ladies in the realm, and on the othe end, some are conscientious souls who study and try and improve themselves and actually ready themselves to perform the duties attendent with their rank. This forms another useful source of revenue for the state in the sale of textbooks, approved self-help guides and test study guides. The titles all have "The Festering Useless Boil on the Buttocks of Humanitys guide to
" The ranks are fairly normal and appear in most European States. The tables of rank for each order are the same. What distinguishes these from the others are several unique ranks. Generalissimo- A getter title would be Grand Field Marshall and exists only in the order of the Pink. General- All Generals of whatever rank, and the Generalissimo, regardless of the order must pay for their rank in a graduates scale just as those in the order of the red. in peacetime all Generals receive the pay of a Colonel. Marschalline- This is a rank reserved for the noble wives of field Marshalls, and independant widows, the wives of former field marshcals. This is a political office as well as military and anyone wishing to know more about who gets chosen for this refer to the Character of the same name in Ricard Stauss' Opera "Die Rosenkavalier." Lieutenant Colonel.This is a rank outside the normal chain of command and he is responsible for the good conduct of the officers. He has right of direct appeal to the Princess or the Generalissimo and primarily is concerned with the conduct and demeanor of the officers. Officers who are too flamboyant in their lifestyles, or who fight too many duels are likely to find themselves remanded by the Lieutenant colone; to the court for consideration of their case. In some cases he also functios like a Soviet Zampolit. Lieutenant Colonels cannot be promoted to Colonel or general and upon retirement are moved into the civil service. The Lieutenant Colonelcy is drawn directly from the Ranks of the Regimental Sergeants Major. Sergeant Colonel. This rank is unique in that there is only one in the entire Army or Detatchment. In many ways modeled on the Senior Centurian of a Roman Legion, when the General in chief AND his assistant are out of the camp, the Sergeant Colonel ranks all other officers. His primary duty is the smooth running and seamless operation of the army at all times and especially when the senior officers are not present. The rank is awardable only to a person with 40 years service, who must be married, and whose wife has the rank of Sergeant' Colonel's Wife, and is responsible for the domestic arrangements and management of the civilians (from suttlers to s and gamblers) who attach themselves to the army.
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