| tsofian | 11 May 2013 11:39 a.m. PST |
So for folks that are just getting information about this project link we are putting together some source books for a Victorian Science Fiction Setting. That said we do VSF a bit different than many people. We base what we do heavily on history and actual period technology. Our books will include the real world statistics for all the historical weapons we include. We will also attempt to include 3D technical drawings of them. As an added bonus anything we do include as a 3D drawing will also become available as a print on demand model in various scales from Objects May Appear shapeways.com/shops/objects. Generally we work in 15mm scales and smaller. This is the first cut list of British Ordnance for inclusion in the Hive, Queen and Country Vehicles and Artillery Book. We are not going to include any dedicated coast artillery weapons in this volume, as we intend upon doing that as a separate book in the future. If we are missing things that were either in service between 1890 and 1904 let us know. Since this serves not only the historical community but also Victorian Science Fiction (VSF) and Steam Punk gamers and such we will be including interesting weapons from outside that period as well as some strictly Sci Fi ones. link Please take a look at the list below and see if we are missing anything! The lists for other nations will be forthcoming. Look for a number of guns that have never had data published in English language sources when we get to nations like Russia and Japan! Cannons
1 pdr pom pom
1 pdr pom pom AA mount
1.5 pdr COW gun
2 pdr pom pom AA mount
3 pdr Hotchkiss and Nordenfelt field mounts
3 pdr Hotchkiss and Nordenfelt AA mount
6 pdr Hotchkiss and Nordenfelt field mounts
6 pdr Hotchkiss and Nordenfelt AA mount
10 pdr mountain gun
2.95 inch QF Mountain Gun
12 pdr 6 cwt horse artillery BL
12 pdr 12 cwt QF
12 pdr 12 cwt QF AA
13 pdr QF Horse Artillery
13 pdr QF AA
15 pdr BLC Field Gun
3 inch 20 cwt AA
18 pdr QF Mk I
30 pdr BL Field Gun
32 pdr Breech Loading Smooth Bore
4 inch BL Gun
4 inch QF Gun
4.5 inch QF Field Howitzer
4.7 inch QF Field Gun
5 inch BL Field Howitzer
60 pdr Bl Mk I field Gun
5.4 Inch Field Howitzer
6 inch 25 cwt BL Siege Howitzer
6 inch 30 cwt BL Siege Howitzer
6 inch BK Mk 7 Gun
6 inch BLC Siege Gun
7 Inch/110 pdr BL Armstrong Gun
7.5 Inch ASW Howitzer
8 Inch Howitzer MK I
9.2 inch Howitzer Mk I
Mallet Mortar
Davis Recoiless Guns, 2 pdr, 6 pdr, 12 pdr Railway Guns
6 inch of various sorts
9.2 inch Howitzer-fictional
9.2 inch Howitzer Mk 3
9.2 Inch Railway Gun Mk I
12 inch BL Mk 1 Railway Howitzer
12 inch BL Railway Gun Mk 9 Armored Trains
1882 Naval Train Alexandria
Brighton Exercise Train 1890
Boer War Trains-Hairy Mary, 12 pdr car, various others
4.7 inch Belgian armored train
Armoured Tran A-M (1940)
The Miniature Armoured Train (1940) |
| DrVesuvius | 11 May 2013 12:23 p.m. PST |
Hmmmmmmmm… Rockets? I seem to recall Hale Rockets were still being used in an artillery role up to the end of the 19th century. |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 1:14 p.m. PST |
OOPs sorry I forgot rockets! They will be in there as well. Not sure about Machine weapons though Terry |
| Rudi the german | 11 May 2013 1:42 p.m. PST |
Far from complete and mix between land and naval lafettes….. |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 1:56 p.m. PST |
French Ordnance List
65mm TR 1906
75mm 1897
De Banges
80 mm 1877
80mm 1878
90mm 1877
95mm 1888
100 and 105mm TS 1897
120 L 1878
155L 1877
155 C 1881
155 C 1881-1912
155C 1890
220 1880
220 1901
220 1880 Schneider
270 1885 Other types
14cm 1891
155L 1877-1914 We will be adding heavier artillery when I can dig up the other books |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 1:59 p.m. PST |
Rudi if I'm missing things please let me know. This isn't a WW1 list but is based on VSF. We will be happy to include guns that you have data for and which we feel fit our conception. The only gun on that list that historically didn't see land service was the 11 inch ASW howitzer. I can document land service for everything else, including the 7.5 inch land service weapon. |
| DrVesuvius | 11 May 2013 2:00 p.m. PST |
Terry – since the book will be about vehicles as well as artillery, I'd include them. Machine guns can be mounted on vehicles after all. But that's only if the HQC rules are granular enough to distinguish between the different types in any meaningful way. Dr V |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 2:09 p.m. PST |
Dutch Ordnance
10 cm Mortar
15cm Mortar
20 cm Mortar 12cm M 1873 field gun
8 cm bronze gun
12 cm long steel
15mm steel howitzer 1882
10cm steel
8 cm steel 1880
15cm bronze howitzer
Krupp 5.7 cm
Krupp and Scheunder 5.7cm
Krupp 7.5 cm
12 cm steel howitzer
12 cm Steel mortar
6 cm AA
7.5 cm AA |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 2:14 p.m. PST |
Dr V
there might be some difference between rifle caliber, heavy and 1 inch weapons but that would be it in terms of die rolls. The Core role playing rules really can't and the core miniatures rules are The Sword and the Flame and they really can't either. The only reason I would include them is for drawings and future 3D printed models. I've had the different guns argument about many guns in many games and I'm usually firmly on the guns are guns side for most small arms. |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 2:21 p.m. PST |
United States Ordnance
1 inch Gatling Gun
1 pdr HRC
3 Pdr HRC
6 pdr HRC
2 pdr Hotchkiss
3 inch Hotchkiss Mountain gun
3.2 inch field mortar
3.2 inch field gun
5 inch siege rifle
7 inch siege howitzer
7 inch siege mortar
I might add some heavier and newer weapons |
| Rudi the german | 11 May 2013 2:24 p.m. PST |
Hi, I did the same task for my ruleset 3 month ago. I know a little about guns but you have in the victorian age also the transition of the differant patends on the breech and your have also the cradle balance and the recoilbreak. Start here and than go down per period? Check than the differant breeches, and than the recoilbreak and double check the " with the pdr.
link You must also check if they are HIghpowered or not. Please also be reminded that the russian for example used byzantine howitzers in the japanese- russian war.
link
And here my favourite list… The super guns… A must for all VFS.
Greetings and have fun |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 2:45 p.m. PST |
I usually do not use wikipedia for anything except first round review. I am using original language source for these, primary ones where I can get them. I have very good sources on British, America, Russian, Japanese, Austro-Hungarian, Dutch ordnance |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 4:16 p.m. PST |
Now for armoured trains British already listed
German
German 2 axle car with 53mm Gruson turret
German 2 axle car with slope roofed gun house
Straight sided armoured engine
Austrian
Pz Zug no 9
Russian
A variety of different versions
Japanese
They had a very cool train in the 1930s in Manchuria, it is really out of period but I might include it because it looks soooooo good!
The Triple Empire (in our setting this is Portugal, Spain and Brazil)
A Brazilian train for use in the countryside and a couple for use against the French In terms of Fictional trains we'll be adding Flak trains for most everyone and also probably some rocket trains. We might also add some coast defense trains. |
| brass1 | 11 May 2013 4:46 p.m. PST |
For the US, don't forget the 2.5" Sims-Dudley dynamite gun, which actually saw service during the Spanish-American War, and the 15" Zalinski dynamite gun, which equipped USS Vesuvius and several coast defense batteries in the US. LT |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 5:07 p.m. PST |
thanks lt i had it on my master list and just forgot to put it in. Arun is gonna kill me since he has to do all the drawings! |
BlackWidowPilot  | 11 May 2013 5:39 p.m. PST |
Add to your French list the 37mm, 47,, and 57mm Hotchkiss Revolving cannons, and add those to the Imperial Russian list as well, as these guns were exported and produced under license rather extensively. They were ubiquitous on French and Imperial Russian warships into the early 20th century. For the French, also add the Mitrailleuse, as this was the standard French naval mount machine gun until it was replaced by the Hotchkiss machine gun at the beginning of the 20th century. Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 5:43 p.m. PST |
Leland
Thanks! I will also add the French 37mm Trench gun, since it is just darned cute! |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 6:11 p.m. PST |
Historic and period fictional vehicles
Fictional
HG Wells-Tripods
HG Wells-Land Ironclad Historical Vehicles
Fowler road engine from the Boer War
Various British WW1 Heavy Tanks
German A7V
French tanks (all three types)
British Whippet
German K Wagen
British Flying Elephant
US Steam Tank
Russian Light Tank
Russian giant tricycle
Garford Putalov Armored car
Quad Armored Car
Fowler-Hay steam siege engine 1880
Big Hornsby Tractor
Holt 75 HP
Levavasseur project French 1908 vehicle
Burstyn tank (Austrian 1911 vehicle
de Mole (Australian design from 1911)
Mendeleev's Project (1903)
Vezdekhod (Russian 1904 project) |
| tsofian | 11 May 2013 7:31 p.m. PST |
Austro Hungarian Artillery
M75 7 cm Mountain Gun
M75 9 cm field gun
M1880 12 cm steel bronze siege gun
M1880 15 cm siege gun
M1880 18cm steel bronze siege gun
M1880 9 cm mortar
M1880 15 cm mortar
M1880 21 cm mortar
M75/96 9 cm field gun
M99 8cm field gun
M5 8 cm field gun
M99 10 cm field howitzer
M99 7 cm mountain gun
M8 7 cm mountain gun
M9 7 cm Mountain gun
M99 10 cm mountain howitzer
M8 10 cm mountain howitzer
M99 15 cm heavy battery howitzer
M94 15 cm heavy battery howitzer
M98 24 cm siege howitzer
M98/7 24 cm howitzer
They also had some interesting 37mm and other small caliber weapons |
| tsofian | 12 May 2013 6:13 a.m. PST |
Here is a list of the French Railguns we will be doing Railway Guns
155C M1881 on rail carriage M1893
95mm 1888
200mm Howitzer Peruvian rail guns
16cm M1893
19cm M 1870-93
293mm Mortar |
| tsofian | 12 May 2013 8:39 a.m. PST |
The late Victorian sees the British using 3, 6 12 and 24 pdr Hale rockets. Launchers include troughs and tubes. I will add thee to the list! |
| tsofian | 12 May 2013 11:15 a.m. PST |
Here is the Japanese weapon list! Japanese Ordnance
57mm Naval landing gun
86mm field gun 1866-ML
78mm Krupp field gun 1871
78mm Krupp field gun 1876
75mm Mountain gun 1879
75mm Type 31 field gun 1898
87mm type 32 1899
75mm Type 38 1905
75mm mountain gun type 31 1898
75mm mountain gun Type 41 1908
75mm Cavalry gun type 41 1908
105mm Cannon Krupp
105mm Cannon Type 38 1905
120mm Krupp Howitzer
150mm Krupp howitzer
120mm Type 38 Howitzer 1905
150mm Howitzer type 38 1905
120mm cannon 1875
90mm cannon 1892
280mm Type 16 coast defense/siege mortar 1883
120mm mortar 1869
90mm mortar 1891
90mm mortar
150mm mortar 1887
230mm mortar 1877
240mm rifled mortar
280mm mortar |
| tsofian | 14 May 2013 4:57 p.m. PST |
Spanish Ordnance-Very short list!
Bronze 8 cm 1880
8 cm model 1868/1880
Bronze 9 cm 1877
Steel 9cm 1877
Steel 8 cm mountain gun 1874
Bronze 14 cm siege gun 1881
Steel 15cm siege gun 1875
8 cm Sotomeyer |
| tsofian | 25 May 2013 4:38 p.m. PST |
Here is the rest of the Spanish gun list
Maxim Nordenfelt 57mm Model B
Krupp 7.5 cm Mountain howitzer Model 1896
75mm Saint Chamond
75mm Krupp
7.5 cm Scheider Canet Model 1900
8 cm Field Guns-Krupp steel 1883, Bronze 1880, Sotomeyer 1880
9 cm field guns Krupp Steel model 1875, Bronze 1878
Bronze 12 cm Model 1891
Bronze 15cm Model 1891
15 cm Krupp Steel gun model 1875
Bronze 15 cm howitzer model 1891
Bronze 21 cm howitzer model 1885/91
Bronze 9 cm model 1891
Bronze 15cm Model 1891
Bronze 21 cm Model 1895
3 inch Maxim Nordfenfeld Naval Landing gun
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| tsofian | 25 May 2013 5:28 p.m. PST |
So I need German, Italian, Russian, Belgium, and any other power I have missed |
| tsofian | 26 May 2013 12:34 p.m. PST |
So here are the Italians!
Italian Ordnance
37mm F
37/21 Model 1886
37/25 Model 1890
42mm
57mm RE
57/40 Model 1886
65mm Mountain gun
70mm Mountain gun
75B Mountain gun
75mm A
75/906
75/911
75/912
76/17
76/40 A 1897
87 A
87 B
87 B 80/98
95 French
120 LF 1878
120/32 RM
120/40 RM
120/50 V 1909
120 A
120 B
120 G
149 B RM
149 C RM
149 G
152/40 A 1888/90
152/40 A 1891/99 |
