| GROSSMAN | 08 May 2013 11:57 a.m. PST |
I am looking at buying a couple of German 251 HTS in 28mm any thoughts? |
| James Wright | 08 May 2013 12:07 p.m. PST |
I am a huge fan of JTFM. Plus all the stowage they come with is great too. Great detail, easy to build, and lots of stowage. I just ordered a zug worth. =) |
| Disco Joe | 08 May 2013 12:11 p.m. PST |
I will second JTFM. And he has both the C and D models. |
| GROSSMAN | 08 May 2013 12:25 p.m. PST |
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| ComradeCommissar | 08 May 2013 12:39 p.m. PST |
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| Rudi the german | 08 May 2013 1:35 p.m. PST |
Sorry… They are only 3th rate. 2ed best is tamiya.
The best is of course….. link Gasoline ….. Bring the big wallet |
| Jeff Ewing | 08 May 2013 1:54 p.m. PST |
I am completely agnostic about the "correct" scale vehicle to use with 28s -- I say use what looks good to you -- but it's worth noting that the Gaso.line and Tamiya models are 1:48, and detailed scale models, which might be a little delicate for the gaming table. The JTFM model is 1:56 and a bit more rugged, being (IIRC) white metal and resin. (Edit: I'm wrong, they're all resin.) |
| deldietch | 08 May 2013 2:19 p.m. PST |
Having worked with Gas.oline and still a fan of those kits, and worked with the sculptor of JTFM's halftrack, I'd say the JTFM one is superior in craft as far as the master. Ease of assembly, both are good. The JTFM models are specifically designed to have not as many hollow sections, few pieces, reduced undercuts, etc so that they are easy to assemble for gaming, and come partially assembled with parts in situ, but not glued together. If folks wanted a "model kit" then they should see the masters.
It takes a lot of work to make the raw kit come together as a model that can cast in one piece. The Gas.oline and Tamiya models are indeed more fragile. That is not to say that they cannot be built to be more robust. They can. Just as you can add scratch details all you want to a "gamer" kit and make it as or more detailed than any resin kit alone. I would never use any of my Gas.oline models to game with though, as they are just too finely detailed..and the grubby fingers of gamers would knock off all the fine detailing. It's not the amount of detail…it's how it's molded on or attached to the model. I also like the JTFM ones, as they have a big interior that is two parts, to facilitate adding details and painting. |
| chriskrum | 08 May 2013 4:39 p.m. PST |
I've got a JTFM 251 with the pioneer kit. It's a thing of beauty in 1/56. I think 1/50 and 1/48 look really out of scale. |
| spontoon | 08 May 2013 4:42 p.m. PST |
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| Disco Joe | 09 May 2013 6:02 a.m. PST |
Army Group North is nice but it is a 251/1 'B' variant which would be good for early war. They don't have a model 'C' or 'D' which were the primary variants used through much of the war and it comes with a base. So it all depends on what you are looking for. |
| Patrick R | 09 May 2013 6:50 a.m. PST |
Warlord's new plastic 251 is pretty good too, fairly solid, no-frills wargaming kit. |
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