"Armies not made in 15mm that should be" Topic

Ok guys, what armies in the period up til 1600 are not made by anyone in 15mm, but should be?

Early-mid 12th C German. Bits and bobs here and there, but no dedicated range. Diddo for 14th-15th C as well.

For that matter, early to mid 12th C Western European as well. Again bits and bobs here and there…

Damon.

Dian/Kunming from what is now Yunnan, China is a gap, but "should" would depend on the potential demand for them…

Vietnamese, but there's not a lot of material to work from.

Square hats would be the biggest distinction.

Keith Weller Taylor, "The Birth of Vietnam"
(University of California Press, 1983) p.287:

"The men of the Ten Circuit Army were distinguished by the hats they wore.
Their hats were square, with the four sides of the brim coming to a point at
the top; the exterior was covered with leather. This style of military hat
was still used in the Vietnamese army as late as the fifteenth century."

"In an edict of 975, Bo Linh prescribed the types of clothing to be worn by
civil and military officials at the court … weapons and special leather
hats were made for one hundred thousand men."

Middle Imperial Romans, Like A&A do in 28mm.

Otherwise thanks to WRG Ancient tournaments (I can't believe I said that) there are actually an awful lot of pretty obscure armies done. Granted some of those lines are pretty old and could do with a do-over…

I'd really like to see the Early Persian range expanded :-)

A range of Maurikian/Heraclian Byzantines would be great. Early and later Byzantines are well catered for but the army that faced the Arab Conquest and the fall of the Sassanid empire is very poorly covered. IIRC, this was the army Phil Barker referred to as the Rolls Royce of ancient armies.

Toltecs. There's a lot of statuary to work off and a small number of codes would be necessary. (To do the 'MM army list you'd need command, elite warriors, ordinary warriors, slingers, and porters.)

15mm Huaxtecs, a great Aztec enemy.

The ranges below have very few, if any, dedicated miniatures or are 25+ years old and poor by modern standard

Middle Imperial Romans
Sung Chinese
Urartian
Zagros higlander
Lydian
Lykian
1450-1490 Italian armies
Medieval Vietnamese
Sogdian
Chionites
XC italian/lombard
Rajput
Marinid
Ligurian
Late XIIIC german range with fancy great helms
Late XIIIC flemish
Medieval african armies (Kanem, Bornu, Songhai, Hausa etc…)
Medieval Alan
Jurchen Chin

in addition, I'm still waiting for the perfect early sassanid range.

Figures for armies in DBA book 1 – the biblical era! More variety of figures are always welcome for these armies!

"in addition, I'm still waiting for the perfect early sassanid range."

Me too, its the elephant in the room.

Mid to Late 16th Century Western European, the early 80 Years War, French Wars of Religion, Late Tudor, the Spanish Fury. What's available is limited to say the least.

I really would like to see a Rise of Rome range, Etruscans, Umbrians, Apulians, Campanians, Samnites, Lucani, Bruttii, various southern Greek cities and the Gauls, some companys do some of these ranges but there are plenty of big gaps.

another range I would like to see are biblical ranges, the Israelites and their enemies, amorites, cannanites, moabites, Egyptians, philistines etc…

I'll second Lorenzo and Emphatz.

The Sung Dynasty cavalry look so great that I'm surprised they aren't made.

I'd echo the demand for French Wars of Religion/ Eighty Years War range. Hardly any specific figures for these

Since we're reaching for the stars,how about Songhai?

Toltecs! Of course.

Cheers,
JohnG

But yes, another vote for French Wars of Religion.

Cheers,
JohnG

Medieval Wallachian's and Serb's

Another vote for 15mm Huaxtecs---

9th-10th century Koreans (to fight your excellent Tang Chinese)
Sung Chinese
Early Achaemenid Persian – significantly expand your range, and bring in 2nd rank Immortals with bow not spears
Thai
Comnenan Byzantine (to ally themselves with everyone else's Crusaders)

Lorenzo's list reminds me of Hephthalites and Liao-dynasty Khitans.

Another vote for the French Wars of Religion. Renaissance armies need a new manufacturer as well.

Vendel period Scandinavians, I.e. pre-viking. Medieval Finnish tribes. Estonians and Pagan Prussians. Chukchi for fighting off the Tsars Cossacks.

I think Mesoamerican is underdone. Sure there are Aztecs out there. The old Minifigs Incas. But Ian Heath (Foundry books) has some really good illustrations on Aztecs, Tlaxcaltecs, Huaxtecs, Tarascans, Mayans, etc. that would be really nice to see.

Think about redoing the Chichimec line, however. That is the nicest I could say it.

Dale

Georgians?

French Wars of religion.
African central and west coast tribes.
Siberian tribes.

Early Macedonians
Expansion of Illyrians

french wars of religion and Tudor/Elizabethian for the same time period. Since someone is already doing the Colonial Spanish for the same period, why not Jon.

I think only Outpost does Khmer and they are just okay. Great and colorful army. Burmese and other SE Asians would be great too.

Pre-Horse plains, Woodland and Pacific Coast Native Americans.
Mound Builders, Caribbean Island dwellers, Polynesians….

Would like to see African tribes as well from pre-gunpowder eras.

Proper and complete Ayubid Egyptians. Daylami kingdom. Catalan and Medieval Spanish/Portugese. Medieval Scandanavians, Finns and Danes (early and later periods)

Thats a start….

Very Early Samurai, to fight the Gempei War.

Also, Heian-kyo guards, in flat boshi with the feather-fan at the corner of the eye, armed with bows and hanging tachi.

I'm with Redcurrant – Koryo period Koreans would be great in 15mm

Late Tudor and French Wars of Religion would be awesome!

18th Dynasty -- Early New Kingdom Egyptian -- Thutmose III's troops without the big quilted groin pads of the later Rameside troops.

Hyborian Armies.

Pueblo (As in Dog Peoples and Pueblo cultures); A couple of packs would take care of them, there are some OK sources, and good pictorial refrences for the immeidate contact period if you know where to look.

Some more Mound Builders, not real thrilled with the ones on the market.

I would like to see the Tlaxcalans and they augment your current line of Colonial Spanish. These were the majority of the Spanish army that conquered the Aztecs.

There are also no Caribean (Arawaks or Caribs) to fight off the first Spanish incursians.

Thanks for the input -- helped me decide what to make next.

Siberian tribes would be a great one -there are loads of Cossacks out there for them to fight with.
Some one used to do these in 15mm -can't remember who -they did sci fi samurai as well.

"Not Robin of Sherwood"

not made, or not made well enough to make you want to buy an army of them?

a lot of the things listed above do exist, just in rather dubious standards of sculpting or casting.

As Khurasan seem happy to remedy this, I would encourage them to sit down with two or three major 15mm rule set list books, and just make sure they can cover the options for their existing ranges first.

once you start that, it should open up the next logical missing thing to move on to – often following on from some minor ally they have just done.

Early Persian, surprisingly little out there.

I actually make 15mm early Persians.

"Thanks for the input -- helped me decide what to make next."

Any hints? Like a region of the world hint ;-)

I second the vote for early Samurai (900-1200).

3 Kingdoms Koreans.

And another plea again for Huaxtecs!

I will echo the call for early 80 years war and French Wars of Religion.

Having watched the Korean historical drama "Jae Do Young" Tang Chinese and Koryo Koreans would be fun to do. Make sure you make an Emperor Wu.

I have a line of T'ang Chinese line. It's currently available.

I also have a three kingdoms range all sculpted and cast but need to get a painter to work it up. Think I'll make that a weekend project actually!

The consensus here seemed to be that French Wars of Religion was what really needed to be covered so that's what I have had started. Here's a Royal Swiss pikeman, the first models I'm having made:

Have Khurasan expanded their early persian range yet?

Last time I checked they only had two figures for it.

Early Persians, and another vote for Hephthalites. Wars of religion is kind of sexy, too though.

FMB

Another vote for Early Persians. I would like to start an Early Persian army but two packs isn't enough. We definetley need to see some cavalry. It would also be nice to have early hoplites (with upright spears).

I have to say French Wars of Religion is also very cool.