"Eisenkern Stormtroopers " Topic

For usd.42,00 is a good price or not?
Just asking.

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Amicalement
Armand

The quality is fantastic. Worth every cent.

Very nice options, but they're twice the price of most of the other recent plastic figures.

Cost even more down here in Australia and our dollar matches the US , ended up around $ 60AUS here . They are very nice figures and assemble very well. I picked up a few sprues and am saving them for the right project to start ripping into them. If they were $ 40AUS here i'd be getting allot more.

They do look sweet. However, they are more than twice as expensive as many other plastics. Heck, Khurasan has released new 28mm scifi figs (which are VERY nice) for a $1.30 USD and they are metal. You make your choice and pay your money. I know I won't be buying any at that price. But I will be getting Khurasan figs.

Thanks,

John

I ordered from the US and even with shipping still cheaper than buying in the UK, so the same maybe true for those in AUS. For me they are well worth the price with near endless possibilities, no 2 figures need be the same and are very well detailed.

Kind of depends on what you usually pay for models, if your used to WFB, 40k, Warmachine, etc. Then the price isn't that bad, if your used to plastic Perry boxed sets, this is pretty expensive. BUT the kit is very different to GW, PP and Perry plastic kits, it feels more like scale model kits then gaming kits. Lots of fiddly and detailed pieces. They are very nice though.

I really enjoyed building the Dreamforge kits I got through the KS, I can't say the same for every miniature kit i've bought. The Khurasan models are of limited use, they are single pieces but the there are only 17 different sculpts available and you don't build them (could be a huge plus in some cases).

For me it's simply buying this instead of GW or even selling some of my ton of GW stuff to buy some more of this.

Wow !! Those are sweeet !! Superior to most GW/FW …

Interesting that the box art lists these 28mm figures as 1/58 scale, not 1/56 or 1/48.

And those panzerfausts are huge. Great figs though.

"Very nice options, but they're twice the price of most of the other recent plastic figures."

Not GW's though.

I'd be interested in seeing some in hand. they seem expensive, and I've commented as much on WGF facebook… I really want to like these, but the oddball bases, the price, and the odd proportion of torsos to legs make this kit one weird bird…

These aren't Wargames Factory figs, if that is what you meant?

I bought a standard trooper box of ten for £17.00 GBP-50. So £1.00 GBP-75 for each soldier.

The box I got didn't have the different weapons just the long guns.

I am really happy with my purchase. The miniatures are flawless, sharply cast and have some lovely details. They are cheaper than a box of plastic troops from GW and are easily as well, if not better cast.

I would happily pay USD42 for the box set, especially seeing as there is a variety of weapons and there are 20 troops (instead of 10) in the box.

John Leahy: Yes those are indeed made by Wargames Factory. They are designed by Dreamforge Games.

They are excellent models. The detail is crisp, minimal if any flashing, excellent sprues and boxing.

If I hadn't already picked up all the metal figs I needed from DFG, I would have picked up some of these infantry models.

The Leviathan Crusader and accessories I did get are excellent kits. I'm eagerly awaiting the rest of my pledge items from the kickstarter.

If you like the look pick some up from a discount site.

Many thanks for your guidance boys!

Amicalement
Armand

John Leahy: link

Man, every time I see those I really want to buy a platoon or more to run Kerberos Panzer Cop games, until I remember that I have both the Eureka scifi German stormtroopers and the Rebel Titan Marines in 15mm.

Gotta admit, Dreamforge has really come a long way from a 40k knockoff.

The Khurasan models are of limited use,

Why are they of limited use, I mean, as opposed to other generic 28mm sci fi figures?

I didn't get the 'limited use' thing either. I would still readily buy Khurasan metal first and be very pleased with their price!

On the other hand, color me confused. I thought that Dreamforge was a separate Company that was having WGF cast their figs? Based on the post above I guess that is incorrect?

Thanks,

John

On the other hand, color me confused. I thought that Dreamforge was a separate Company that was having WGF cast their figs? Based on the post above I guess that is incorrect?

Mark Mondragon, owner of Dreamforge contracted WGF to to the molding, production and distribution of his products.

The 'limited use' thing is due to the single pose figures. Eight squads of those troops on the table and they'll look the same. Multipose figures have that problem less. Kind of depends on what you use it for and what your priorities are.

And while $1.33 USD-$1.50 minis are great, getting them to Europe makes them a little more expensive (US>EU shipping costs are getting high, large batches add VAT and import fees). Suddenly the difference with a €139.00 EUR plastic mini is a lot less…

Mark Mondragon, owner of Dreamforge contracted WGF to to the molding, production and distribution of his products.

Not quite. DreamForge contracted the Chinese company that now owns WGF to do the molding and production. WGF is only handling the distribution. WGF uses the parent company also to do the molding and production.

Cergorach, I've had 2 orders from a company in the US, both over £100.00 GBP both came in large boxes, neither was charged with import duty. The company rhymes with Morestore, if that helps ;)

The 'limited use' thing is due to the single pose figures. Eight squads of those troops on the table and they'll look the same. Multipose figures have that problem less.

Don't think it really matters, TBH--only time it really does is if there aren't enough poses to fill out a unit. If you have multiple poses in the same unit it looks a bit repetitive, but that's about it. And as we had 13 different basic squaddies made, because most units are going to be 9-10 men in all likelihood, there's some variation possible from unit to unit anyway.

Anyway, plastics offer the promise of limitless poses, but I've found them not to be quite so limitless in truth. There're only so many poses you can get out of them that make sense--if you google-image troops in combat in Afghanistan you see there are only so many positions people actually take when in a firefight. Mostly standing shooting, kneeling shooting, advancing, ducking, etc. Too many poses beyond what one would normally expect to see and the result ends up looking a bit chaotic IMO.

I can't see why both options (metal and plastic) wouldn't be welcome! Being primarily a historical gamer, and in small scales to boot, I have to admit that the shine of multi-part plastic 28mm figures wears off as you help your son assemble his tenth or twelfth squad of 10-12 piece figures. I may be in the minority, but my plans for the Eisenkern troopers are for a platoon sized force, while when Eureka's one-piece metals came out I realized that larger forces would be possible (in probably less time). Both are great additions, and welcome alternatives from GW both in terms of quality and price – keep them both coming!

Cheers,

Christopher

Khurasan, you are the notable exception to the rule (well almost a rule) and that is you've released a comprehensive force the only pose you haven't done is a prone figure (I know a lot of people don't like them anyway) a lot of manufacturers don't and leave gaps, Copplestone Castings come to mind. If yours had come out earlier I may well of invested in them, if the felids are done in 28mm, I know I will be getting them and obviously the Siler at least 4 for a start.

Are these plastic kits as fiddly/ small-bits laden as the Mongoose Starship-Troopers Mobile Infantry? …or: how many pieces per figure/ pics of sprues. The price seems fine to me for figures of this quality, but I loathe fiddly assembly… just asking…

billthecat, the troops have leg/torso/arms/head. there is an accessory set that includes all manner of options such as pouches, binoculars, different heads, etc.

I've not got too much to add here to what has already been said. The 'obvious'comparrisons here are both the recent Khurasan releases and GW's product over the years.

Khurasan's new metals look very nice. Remind me of bigger Denizen miniatures. They are, indeed, to be applauded for producing a nice range of figures from the get-go.

They're made of metal (not that I care one jot but for some reason that appeals to some [they seem to percieve that they are worth 'more' because they're made of metal: can't see it myself]). Personally, I like plastic figures as I find them easier to work with: easier to convert and assemble, more flexible and, generaly, a nicer product to handle.

But that's just me.

I love the look of the Eisenkern models and (that swine!) dwartist has done such a superb job of painting and converting (see elsewhere) it makes the case I'm about to put:

The Khurasan figures are wargaming figures. They are nice wargaming figures, well sculpted, and one can do a good job with the paints on them (by the look of them: havn't actually done so myself). But they are designed primarily for wargaming.

The Eisenkern are 'models' (with all that the word implies) but they are models you can wargame with if you so chose.

Personally, if money were no object and I had the time to assemble and mess around with them (and if I wanted a lot of them that I could mess with the poses), I'd pick The Eisenkern every time.

If I were on a restricted budget or had to get a squad or two on the table by next weekend, or simply didn't like assembling stuff, I'd pick the Khurasan figures.

I'd not care what they were made of or worry about their percieved worth as one is made of metal and the other of plastic. As I said, I simply don't care.

Under no circumstances I can imagine would I buy a similar GW product. That's because they're not actually similar: too cartoony. Too expensive. too "not my cup of grimdark tea".

Horses for courses, really.

As a (less than I was, but nevertheless still) 28mm gamer, I'm simply overjoyed that two manufacturers are providing genuine choice for gamers everywhere (choice that's not tied down to codexes or tied up with law suits).

Well done to both companies!

John T

+1 Khurasan, most plastics have a the same limited poses as a metal fig without looking stupid. Have a REALLY good look at the squad composition next time you go and have a look at some plastic figures.

Anyone painting these up as stormtroopers. Pitty the 28mm Starwars line was discontinued just as these came out. I would have considered picking up a few jedi to fight/ lead these guys.

I saw some converted Infinity minis that made pretty good looking force-users.

"Anyone painting these up as stormtroopers."

I'm thinking about it. Just have to leave off the backpack and shorten some of the guns into blasters. While they wouldn't be SW ST's, they'd still have the menacing look….