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CATMAN203 May 2013 7:07 a.m. PST

Plastic Soldier Company here

Got a news item scheduled but couldn't contain myself!

We've got 2 eye-wateringly good new 1/72nd S Model kits on their way:

British A13 Cruiser Tank

German Kfz 13 Adler Armoured Car

Should be us end of next week but you can pre-order in the Plastic Soldier Company webstore

kustenjaeger03 May 2013 7:49 a.m. PST

Greetings

I see it's an A13 Mk I (Cruiser III) rather than an A13 Mk II (Cruiser IV). The former is only usable for France 1940(or possibly Sealion) while the A13 Mk II was used in France, North and (briefly) East Africa and numbers of Mk I were upgraded to this standard. Maybe a Mk II will come later.

I'm sure a couple could be used to support French infantry on the Somme in May 1940 :-)

Regards

Edward

skippy000103 May 2013 1:38 p.m. PST

Don't forget these early vehicles are good for '30's/40's ImagiNation, weird War conversions and InterWar campaigns.

Sparker03 May 2013 2:31 p.m. PST

I think we're headed in the right direction now – 1:100 Crusaders can't be too far off…..

Stavka03 May 2013 7:01 p.m. PST

While not present in any great numbers, Some A-13 cruiser III's were certainly used in the Western Desert, and in Greece.

picture

link

kustenjaeger03 May 2013 11:35 p.m. PST

Greetings

I'd love to have some evidence of the presence of non-upgraded A13 Mk I in the desert. I've not been able to find any apart from unsubstantiated references on Wikipedia etc.

The picture is of a 3 RTR A13 Mk I when the regiment was in 1 Armoured Division – presumably at Calais in 1940.

As far as I am aware 3 RTR went to Greece with all A10s.

Regards

Edward

kustenjaeger04 May 2013 12:02 a.m. PST

Greetings

Of course I've now come across a reference to a comment by a Lt Norman Plough of 2 RTR that they had Mk I and Mk II A13 at Beda Fomm – first I've heard of this so will have to investigate.

Regards

Edward

Stavka04 May 2013 5:06 a.m. PST

That's usually the way things go! The picture was the only one I could find of a Cruiser III on the front lines, so thanks for the clarification.

Wonder if the kit includes the smoke dischargers?

At any rate, this model is a much welcome release of a very much ignored vehicle for early war British armour. I look forward to S Model's forthcoming Vickers light tank.

skinkmasterreturns04 May 2013 5:42 a.m. PST

I want one of these eventually.Call me a heretic,but for the meantime,I've got a Crusader thats going to do a stand in for my BA Brits,until I can afford one.Since I have no shame,I've got several 10mm Jagdpanthers doing a stand in for Polish tankettes until I can get those.:)

kustenjaeger04 May 2013 7:47 a.m. PST

Greetings

A bit more digging on the A13 front.

Jentz 'Tank combat in North Africa' asserts that only Cruiser IVA ( ie A13 Mk IIA) saw combat and lists available British armour at 1 March 1941 in the Middle East as

Light
Mk VI – 36
Mk VIA – 55
Mk VIB – 276
Mk VIC – 1

Cruiser
I (ie A9) – 66
IIA (ie A10 Besa) – 89
IVA (ie A13 Mk II Besa) – 85
ICS – 6
IIACS – 12

Infantry tanks (Matilda)
IIA – 30
IIA* – 35

War wastage to date (presumably permanent losses?) reported as 5 Mk I cruiser, 13 light tanks and 1 infantry tank.

6 MkVIC, 8 cruisers and 38 Matilda IiA in transit (mainly RHQ and A and C sqns 4 RTR).

Incidentally of the tanks that went to Greece there were apparently a total of 7 A13 (all Cruiser IVA) in the HQ of 1st Armoured Brigade.

My digging around on Norman Plough's reported comment re 2 RTR has dredged up that 2 RTR was re-equipped with Cruiser IV after France.

There were slightly different versions of Cruiser IV present in the desert – the key obvious difference being a different mantlet.

Perrett's Wavell's offensive has a picture of a cruiser troop in what appears to be the desert and in Caunter camouflage with differing mantlets – similarly Jentz has pictures of both types that he refers to without differentiation as Cruiser IVA. I had assumed the difference was the replacement of the Vickers co-ax with the Besa but will have to dig further.

Regards

Edward

kustenjaeger04 May 2013 8:03 a.m. PST

Greetings

The best pictorial web resource I can come up with so far on A13s is link – this indicates mantlet changes within A13 MkIIA (Cruiser IVA) production (the main one being a block mantlet) while the earlier A13 MkII had a different mantlet again as well as the co-ax Vickers.

Regards

Edward

Grumble8710604 Sep 2013 11:31 a.m. PST

A plastic model of the A13 Mk II (Cruiser IV) would certainly be a boon to those of us who like to work primarily with plastic vehicles. The fact that it would be a quick-build only add to its attraction! :-)

Von Miligan05 Sep 2013 3:44 p.m. PST

Grumble87106,
you will find details of our new plastic resin and white metal A13 in 3 varients at :
TMP link with lots of nice pictures. Take a look.

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