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companycmd02 May 2013 11:45 a.m. PST

So I wonder what would happen if….

Brian Smaller02 May 2013 12:17 p.m. PST

That I am not interested in. Right now I would rather they came and mowed my lawns and help repair the barn.

vojvoda02 May 2013 12:34 p.m. PST

I would think there is a huge difference between artist who do sculptures and professional model makers and I do not think in many cases the there are those who can do both. It is really not apples and oranges.

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Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian02 May 2013 12:40 p.m. PST

Certain folks would go nuts.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2013 1:26 p.m. PST

Id be interested but also pretty sure it would be prohibitably expensive.

The Beast Rampant02 May 2013 1:34 p.m. PST

15-17th c. & I'd be on board.

But I think my money's safe grin

Mako1102 May 2013 1:51 p.m. PST

That would be nice, but the 28mm scale SHADO troops and UFO aliens are in the current queue, before them.

Lee Brilleaux Fezian02 May 2013 2:51 p.m. PST

What if the Perry brothers formed a '70s revival funk band, and wore absurd fake afro wigs?

It seems at least as likely.

vtsaogames02 May 2013 6:31 p.m. PST

But if they had a really funky bass line…

John the OFM03 May 2013 6:41 a.m. PST

As I see how the Perrys operate, they are sitting around their palatial gaming room, sipping brandy and smoking fine cigars.
One says to the other, "You know what I would like to game? The Abyssinian War. With Flashman, Halle Berry, Mad king Theodore and all that."
"OK, we can squeeze them into the production line in July. Better start sculpting."
"Well, maybe. What I would REALLY like to do is Walker's Filibuster in Nicaragua…"

So, if they ever want to game 1/300 Age of sail, you will see them. But not until.

altfritz03 May 2013 9:04 a.m. PST

Langton Miniatures already exists…

rodlangton.com

Dawnbringer03 May 2013 11:32 a.m. PST

Given that the Perrys don't sculpt most of the 28mm wagons/cannon/gun carriages they sell, I find it unlikely.

Timmo uk04 May 2013 3:21 a.m. PST

What if they had their 28mm plastics pantographed down to 18mm…

Grand Duke Natokina06 May 2013 10:53 a.m. PST

I like ships, but have never been a naval gamer.

Personal logo optional field Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2013 7:47 a.m. PST

1/300 is a bit big for sailing ships, although I would be curious what their work would look like in 1/1200 or 1/2400.

companycmd28 Aug 2018 7:19 a.m. PST

1/200 to 1/300 is the only scale for age of sail that makes sense. All other models are too small to be appreciated and the smaller scales force people to think naval combat was a thing of masses. It wasn't. The real and factual fun of war gaming comes from ship to ship battle, not mass to mass.

Personal logo War Artisan Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Aug 2018 10:44 a.m. PST

Can't agree, companycmd. This is wargaming: there is no "only" scale or style of game.

The fact is that squadron and fleet actions actually happened, and changed the fates of nations. While there is not (and cannot be) any requirement to game actions of that scope, to pretend that your naval wargaming is complete without them is simply incorrect.

While most of my Age of Sail wargaming is, indeed, ship-to-ship and 1/300 scale, there is something deeply satisfying about wrangling a fleet of big line-of-battle ships into outmaneuvering your opponent and then pounding his fleet into flight or submission. Not for everyone, certainly, but I reject any claim that it's not "real and factual fun."

StarCruiser28 Aug 2018 4:51 p.m. PST

Yep – I agree with War Artisan…

Age of Sail gaming depends on what size of battle you want to fight out. If you are fighting a small ship action – say, Frigate against a couple smaller ships or the like – 1/300 would probably be okay.

If you want to refight Trafalgar – 1/1200 or smaller makes far more sense.

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP28 Aug 2018 11:17 p.m. PST

1/200 to 1/300 is the only scale for age of sail that makes sense. All other models are too small to be appreciated and the smaller scales force people to think naval combat was a thing of masses. It wasn't. The real and factual fun of war gaming comes from ship to ship battle, not mass to mass.
Wait, what? That's just a weird thing to say.

One of the coolest things about the Age of Sail is that there were so many fleet battles…! THe evolution of tactics, technology and C3 through this period makes endlessly fascinating reading, and some pretty cool gaming experiences. I have always preferred AoS fleet battles to skirmishes, but I like both just fine.

- Ix

dantheman30 Aug 2018 5:17 a.m. PST

Yup, I like fleet actions best. Unfortunately, most rules focus on ship management details.

It is no different than the argument of skirmish games versus battle refights. Depends what decision level detail you want to create.

Also a silly question. The Perrys willl never do naval.

SgtPrylo30 Aug 2018 6:18 a.m. PST

The Perrys will do whatever they decide they want to do. If they do, it will be awesome, no doubt.

@companycmd: What??? This statement is odd on many levels. I won't say it's wrong, because it's your opinion…but it's wrong."Smaller scales are too small to be appreciated"? Have you seen any of Julian's (ModelJship) work? He's far and away the best of us; but I'd add Brian W, stew art, and others as examples of 1/1200 ships that can be appreciated.

Smaller scales do not 'force' people to think of naval combat as a thing of masses – history provides many examples of fleet combat in the age of sail: Cape Finisterre, Glorious First of June, Copenhagen, Cape Vincent, the Nile, Trafalgar. And this is just in the Atlantic theater. Certainly the ship v. ship battles took place, and those have captured the imaginations of many, but they aren't the only 'real and factual' battles to have taken place.

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