"Austrian SYW Drums" Topic

The 1749 Regulations clearly show the Austrian infantry drum like this:

But everywhere else (books, illustrations, miniatures) I see the more generic:

So which is it? Did the 1749 style get replaced by the generic style that most nations apparently used during the SYW?

Cheers
Paul

you have to choose between a primary source or what a person several hundred years later finds easiest to do..actually I am struggling a bit to see the difference between the illustration on the left and the picture below.
Whatever the result in rmies there was the right way to do it and that way is in the Regelungs

Look at the rope work – it's completely different. :)

And there's not even a hint of the roping going around (or over) the upper and lower rims – in the manual the rope is clearly black, fixed inside (between) both rims in a zigzag pattern.

ah and I was thinking it was about position..rope work..I would think the artist of regulemnt was.t bothered with "rope work" do a google on 18th century drums and hit the image button. look at the tighteners there, best I can offer..I am much more concerned with poses.

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off course the top drawing may just be representing the tighteners in a very loose position.I would say it is that

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Hmm, so you think the artist of the regulations wasn't bothered about getting that detail right? So we can trust the regulations for some things, but not others . . .

:)

I wonder if the tighteners would actually work effectively if they were done as per the 1749 illustration. Not being a drum person I have no idea.

Note: just saw your updates which answer the above. :)

actually looking around a few pics I think the tighteners were slacked off when the illustraor drew them.I imagine the tightener were loosed much of the time so as not to stretch the skin to much. That to me seems the the most feasablr answer. It has been fun working it out to my satisfaction. i actually have that Regulament und Ordmug book, both volumes ..well the 1969 facsimle

…and it was me that put you onto the Regulament! :)

Thanks – this has been very useful to me.

Cheers
Paul

The colour picture is missing the black "flames" on the side of the drum, so I'd go with the black and white drawing as your guide.

Like this one:

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Thanks. :)

The main reason they are different is because they are two different types of drums. The upper image is a early drum, I suspect a low tension non snared drum. The upper image has twin rope " petits cordes" tension, whereas the bottom has a leather strap tensioner, which started to become popular after the development of the true snare drum (as we know it today) by the french around 1743.

bottom image clearly is a snare drum as it is depicted as brass and definitely during the7yw period.

Cheers
Drum major Willow

ahah yes..came in yesterday..amazing buy , again thanks

Thank you Drum Major Willow – clearly a drum man. That settles the issue nicely indeed. :)))

Snowcat. I can send you a picture I took of one of the drums on display at the Austrian Army Museum, in Vienna. It looks like the ones illustrated in your first (top) illustration. I'd post it here but it is not hosted anywhere-only in my "picture" files on the computer.

If still required, email me at tomdye14 AT yahoo DOT com.

Brass Drums! An abomination in the yes of God and Man!

Thanks Tom – message sent! :)

Cheers
Paul

The earlier Austrian drum was still used in 1809 by Landwehr as seen in the Eder print (on my blog):

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