| Nid Vicious | 16 Apr 2013 11:17 a.m. PST |
Not sure if I'll buy it, but it looks pretty cool. I can see it being useful for traveling games if you don't already have a game mat (though I imagine most already do). Wish I'd have seen it before I painted up a space table and started messing with 2 part epoxy resin to seal it up all nice. link: link |
| haywire | 16 Apr 2013 11:54 a.m. PST |
They look kinda boring to me. I purchased two yards of space fabric and have been pretty happy with it. |
| Sir Walter Rlyeh | 16 Apr 2013 12:18 p.m. PST |
No! Alderaan is peaceful! We have no weapons, you can't possibly
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Parzival  | 16 Apr 2013 12:18 p.m. PST |
Not impressed. I was thinking they'd put out some Death Star tiles. Pretty planet pictures and a beauty shot of the DS are okay, but they're too out of scale to have anything to do with game play, so why bother? Unless there's more to this set than that, I'll probably pass. Plus, a cloth mat is a lot easier to set up and take down, and doesn't leave seams on the tabletop. |
| Mako11 | 16 Apr 2013 12:28 p.m. PST |
Interesting, though not sure fiberboard is the best choice for this. |
| vojvoda | 16 Apr 2013 12:35 p.m. PST |
Yeap, lame. Death Star would have been 100 times better. And no indication of price? VR James Mattes |
Tgerritsen  | 16 Apr 2013 12:45 p.m. PST |
Wow, tough audience. I thought they looked ok. Not as nice as some of the soft mats out there, but ok. I saw this line in the write up though- Set Your Course for Adventure And of course my mind went right to- 'Your mind on a new romance! The LOOOOVE Boat
' YouTube link Oh yeah- gotta love those throw away marketing tag lines. |
| elsyrsyn | 16 Apr 2013 12:51 p.m. PST |
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| richarDISNEY | 16 Apr 2013 1:01 p.m. PST |
Pass. I'll stick to my mat.
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| Mr Elmo | 16 Apr 2013 1:35 p.m. PST |
Wow, tough audience That's only because the people poo poo-ing the tiles spent money on unofficial space mats. Just remember that rationalization is the second strongest human drive. |
| CmdrKiley | 16 Apr 2013 1:45 p.m. PST |
I suppose the nice thing is that it's the official 3'x 3' play area. Makes it easier than defining that area with my existing 4'x 6' space mat. Still not enough reason for it to replace my 4' x 6' mat. |
| Dogged | 16 Apr 2013 1:59 p.m. PST |
Well they look pretty fine to me! Have no mat yet so this will definitely be an option. |
| Mako11 | 16 Apr 2013 2:00 p.m. PST |
I think a nice, vinyl poster would be better, and I don't have any "unofficial space mats", but do have a generic star mat, or two. |
| CorSecEng | 16 Apr 2013 2:05 p.m. PST |
I still never got why people restrict play to 3' by 3'. I might be biased a little but I always play on larger mats. If I want to swing my A-wings far left then deal with it. It's space for goodness sake! It's ok for tournaments because it keeps things tight and deadly but too restricting for normal play. I will say this, They did a BAD job photographing those. Some of the pictures look like big black squares and others look like it has a space field in the background. I am curious to see the price. The GF9 mats look good if you really have to stick to 3' by 3'. They will last as long as you roll them and store them out of direct sunlight. That vinyl will crack if it gets dried out too much. I might be biased but I think Fleece is the best material for a game mat. Felt is a close second. |
| Marshal Mark | 16 Apr 2013 2:15 p.m. PST |
It says it is a "smooth and durable surface". Smooth is bad for a game like this, as the ships are much more likely to move about when nudged. Cloth such as felt is much better. |
| Surferdude | 16 Apr 2013 3:40 p.m. PST |
My gripe would be that I think the tiles will skip about when the players use the templates – plus I hate seams. Will need to be cheaper than the gf9 mats to stand a chance. |
| Mr Elmo | 16 Apr 2013 3:59 p.m. PST |
Will need to be cheaper than the gf9 mats to stand a chance. Last time I looked, the GF9 mats are out of stock. Right now, the tiles only need to be available to stand a chance. |
| Lord Ashram | 16 Apr 2013 4:29 p.m. PST |
Those are just not very attractive. |
Parzival  | 16 Apr 2013 4:36 p.m. PST |
That's only because the people poo poo-ing the tiles spent money on unofficial space mats. Uhm
no. Well, I do have a big 6' x 6' section of black glitter felt, but I've had it for a few years now, and I got it on sale and with a 50% off coupon, so I don't really have any money in it. I haven't bought any of the Death Star surface products in part because I wanted to see what FFG might release. And they're releasing squat. And yes, I think cloth beats shiny, slick cardboard, is easier to store and maintain (won't scuff or nick), will stay in place on a tabletop without having to be secured, doesn't have seams, and offers a more generic surface. And why would I want a printed image of a planet that serves no in-game purpose? I'd rather have a 3D obstacle that I can place on a black starfield. I can't fathom what FFG was thinking on this product. But maybe they knew that die-hard minis gamers would already have or buy existing starfield products, and made the slick Star Wars themed ones for people who aren't aware of alternatives. Not that they'll lose money on me— I'm gonna keep buying the ships, after all! |
| CorSecEng | 16 Apr 2013 6:54 p.m. PST |
If you want a GF9 mat then email Bobe's Hobby House. They have them in stock. bobeshobbyhouse.com He'll ship. or better yet buy one of mine :) Better hurry cause free US shipping is almost done. I'm already logging incoming purchases and just have to get the link to the printers setup. |
| The Beast Rampant | 16 Apr 2013 8:17 p.m. PST |
Cool! I didn't know that place existed. I will have to check them out. Thanks, CSE! |
miniMo  | 16 Apr 2013 8:18 p.m. PST |
I've also gone with the black glitter felt from JoAnn's with 50% coupon. (4) 3x3 pieces for regulation play, and (2) 4x6 for scenario use. For something fancier, the GF9 ones are great! Very non-skid surface. Roll up to go into their carry tube, but lay out perfectly flat. Haven't had a chance to play on one of the CorSec ones yet, so can't compare them. |
| thatotherguy | 16 Apr 2013 10:32 p.m. PST |
GF9 just shipped another run of the first two mats out to stores. |
| Barks1 | 16 Apr 2013 11:59 p.m. PST |
I'm not inspired by these, I'm afraid. |
| Ewan Hoosami | 17 Apr 2013 3:32 a.m. PST |
Decided instead. If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all. |
| Mr Elmo | 17 Apr 2013 4:08 a.m. PST |
I would like a 3x3 mat but not felt (too fuzzy) and not the GF9 tablecloth vinyl (too thin) Wings of Glory has some nice mouse mat cloth mats with a rubber backing
BUT not in a space theme. link Someone should make those. |
| AndrewGPaul | 17 Apr 2013 4:19 a.m. PST |
I like them. A pure Death Star surface map bores me – it limits you to a single setting, and not one that lends itself to a particularly interesting scenario at that. These look much more visually variable. In any case, every man and their dog has leapt on that bandwagon. Might as well offer something different. Also, starting out with the "generic" set is probably the best idea. Later tiles can have areas with special rules and the like. Comapred to a fabric mat, these may lie flatter (depending how the fabric is stored, and its weight). The printed surface might be a problem for things moving around during play, though. Pretty planet pictures and a beauty shot of the DS are okay, but they're too out of scale to have anything to do with game play, so why bother? I suppose you can say the same about any space mat. This one is just more "Star Wars-y" than the usual Hubble imagery. |
| CorSecEng | 17 Apr 2013 6:17 a.m. PST |
@Mr Elmo We looked into that material. Its rather expensive and needs a minimum run of like 500 units. We almost did a kickstarter for it but figured out the process for Fabric Mat 2.0 during the research so we shifted gears. It was right before the holidays and we wanted to wait till the next year but GF9 announced their mats so we felt it wasn't the best option for us to move forward. |
| Nid Vicious | 17 Apr 2013 8:30 a.m. PST |
I think I'll stick with my table. They do say that it's 12 tiles all 1'X 1' so you could make a 3'by 4'table in a pinch. I agree with others that these sound like they'll slide around. Smooth tiles on a smooth table don't play well, especially after a few beers. If I needed something portable, I'd likely go to a mat like most others. I think FFG should be concentrating on a mission book and more cards if they want my money between now and Wave 3. |
| Ghostrunner | 17 Apr 2013 9:20 a.m. PST |
An interesting tool for tournament play, but I don't play tournaments. The 'competitive setup' option is similar to what we used to do with a map made of 10"x10" tiles for Star Wars Miniatures
could be interesting, but might be a bit limited in this context if your choices for each of the 9 tiles are: Empty, Asteroids, or Planet. I didn't catch an official price, but I may or may not invest in these. |
Parzival  | 17 Apr 2013 10:06 a.m. PST |
Decided instead. If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all. Huh? We're talking about a product, not people. Some have expressed why they like the product, some have expressed why they dislike it, and all have offered their reasoning. Nothing wrong with that. Just friendly discussion and debate. It's certainly not personal, and doesn't diminish the quality of FFG's excellent game. Pretty planet pictures and a beauty shot of the DS are okay, but they're too out of scale to have anything to do with game play, so why bother? I suppose you can say the same about any space mat. This one is just more "Star Wars-y" than the usual Hubble imagery.
Actually, I do think that way about many space mats. If there's a significant space feature visible, I prefer if it can be part of the "terrain" as it were, and thus part of the game. I'm also not wild about Hubble imagery as typically these are too readily identifiable, aren't actually of anything or any location where a space battle might occur, are usually false color images (the famous "pillars" nebula image doesn't actually look like that to the human eye), and clash with terrain elements I might want to add— like asteroids, a planet, or a moon ("that's no moon!"). A generic starfield could be anywhere, so it doesn't matter what terrain you add. With more specific images, I keep imagining Captain Kirk looking at the viewscreen and saying, "Didn't we just have a fight here last week?" |
| mykilus | 17 Apr 2013 2:07 p.m. PST |
Not useful enough to warrant what their asking for it, Saw a price tag of $40 USD mentioned, think i`d rather spend that on a proper gaming mat.as they say on Dragons den,
. I`m out |
| GiantMonster | 17 Apr 2013 2:14 p.m. PST |
I will be passing on these as well, but not because they look bad or are boring. I am passing because I prefer to play on a single mat or map. Keeping all of those tiles lined up during the course of the game seems like it might be irritating considering all the movement that takes place. -Ken Radioacitve Press |
| AndrewGPaul | 17 Apr 2013 2:54 p.m. PST |
I'd probably use Blu-Tak or similar to hold them down. It's worked well over the years with boardgame tiles. |
| Ewan Hoosami | 18 Apr 2013 3:09 a.m. PST |
@Parzival Calm down mate! You have completely read a context of my comment that is way off the mark. If you look above my post you will see I had deleted a post. Sorry but my 2nd post refers to my harsh and negative comments I wrote and 10 minutes later deleted ( self censorship) and has nothing to do with what others have writen. My bad I guess for not being clearer. For the record I agree wholeheartedly with all the negative arguments that everyone else has written. |
Parzival  | 18 Apr 2013 1:56 p.m. PST |
My apologies. I mistook the context of your post. All calm here. (Slowly puts blaster pistol back in holster
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