"The Hungarian Uprising 1848/49" Topic

Interesting work in progress here about the Hungarian Uprising in the blog of my friend Uwe from Germany.
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Much more in main page
historyin172.blogspot.com.ar

Hope you enjoy!.

Amicalement
Armand

I think this is one of those great, undiscovered periods. The Hungarian uniforms are just visually spectacular.

… The current Slovak "Palace Guard" uniform is based on that of Slovak forces that fought on Hungary's side. There were also Polish volunteers.

Alas, the Romanians, Croats, Serbs and other "Hungarians" tended to rebel and fight for Austria or themselves. But if the Russians hadn't came in on Austria's side, Hungary may well have been successful.

Have a great day, FPR

Agree with you DaleHurtt!.

Amicalement
Armand

BEAUTIFUL, Armand! I've always been interested in this particular conflict, and have wanted to find out more about it. Is there any way that I can?

Thanks, again!

Glad you had enjoy it my friend.
What do you want to know? History, uniforms …?

Amicalement
Armand

This war is tempting me big time…

@Saginaw

Search TMP for 1848/Hungarian Revolution. There are a few helpful topics.

I've done a series of 54mm figures for BattleCry before going and doing complete armies.

Here is an example. This is the Vienna Legion;

Good work McLaddie!.
Congratulations!.

Amicalement
Armand

@Saginaw: Search TMP for 1848/Hungarian Revolution. There are a few helpful topics.

Glad you had enjoy it my friend. What do you want to know? History, uniforms …?

Kingscarbine, I've indeed found some topic threads about this conflict, especially the following, with one particular informative and helpful post from TMPer "McLaddie":

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Tango1/Armand, definitely uniforms, but also the principal armaments the Hungarians used.

Also, what would be some suggestions for 15mm figures? Thanks, everyone!

The BloodandIron Yahoo group has a list of suitable 15mm figures but I think you have to be a member.

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My friend Saginaw, hope this help you a little.

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Amicalement
Armand

Armand:
The first five links aren't applicable to the Hungarian Revolution, but the rest are. Knotel does make some errors though. One is the Lancer. Only one squadron wore that uniform at the beginning of the war. The German Legion wore an all black uniform for most of the war. [see below] Neat to see though.

I finally figured out how to add some more pictures of my BattleCry/Volley&Bayonet/Grand Armee 54's.

3rd d'Estes Hussars

17th Hussars

Hungarian Horse Artillery

Hungarian Foot Artillery

Polish Legion

Polish Legion Lancers and 3rd Regt. Lancers

German Legion

13th Hussars

4th Dragoons, Austria

Hungarian Commanders

Austrian Commanders

Holy Moses Bill, I'm hooked! Those look great. Did you convert all those figures?

I'll have to make a list of suitable 28mm figures for this project.

KC:
Thanks. Actually, only some are 'converted'. I used cheaper plastic 54s to get a sense of which Napoleonic and Civil War figures I could use. I have plans for some 15mm armies, though 28s will show off the uniforms to better effect….

The Legions and Hungarian Jagers are simply Iron Brigade infantry with the belts cut off and a hot knife taken to the hat to fold up one side. The Polish legion required some work. I used Prussian Landwehr figures…who have long coats and no belts and cut the top off the cap and attacted a square piece of plastic.

The Austrian cavalry is 'Mexican Cavalry' with the helmets trimmed. Napoleonic Austrians will work well, dragoons, chevaulegers and cuirassiers.

The Hungarian infantry is the toughest. ACW kepi and frock coat will do, particularly with the blanket roll over the shoulder, but the waist belt has to be eliminated. That is a lot of work, either putting Kepis on Prussian Landwehr or cutting belts off of ACW infantry.

The hussars and lancers are easy: Napoleonic French Hussars and Austrian lancers.

I make feathers, hair, horse manes and other things with acyrlic paint. Let it get a bit stiff and you can attach it and shape it anyway you want. Once dry you can paint it and it will bend instead of breaking when handled.

Bill

Thanks Bill. I'm thinking about using a mix of various ranges. Austrian, French, Prussian and Brunswick Napoleonics; ACW infantry; Zouaves and Bashi-Bazouks; 1st Carlist War Isabelino infantry; and Crimea Russians.

Plastic figs are very useful and versatile for converting and I plan to make good use of the Perry sets.

I'm going to spend a load in books at Salute…

Well, if you want to get the most for your money, buy these. Even in the Hungarian Language, they are terrific. [A Hungarian-Portuguese-English Language Dictionary helps.] I have no idea whether Salute would have them, but anything there would be based on these two books.

Barcy, Zoltán and Somogyi, Győző, A szabadságharc hasdserege. 1848-49 katonai zerveaete, egyenruhái és fegyverzete [The Army of the War of Independence. The Military Organization, Uniforms and Armament of 1848-49] (1986) Budapest.

Robert, Hermann. 1848-1849 A szabadságharc hadtörténete. (2001) Budapest: Korona Kiadó

Thanks mate. I'll see if I can find them. Have a look at the Anne S. K. Brown Military Collection. It's a goldmine: link

Many thanks for your comments and congratulations for your great work my friend! (smile).

Amicalement
Armand

Just FYI.

I put together four Hungarian War scenarios for Volley & Bayonet that can be seen on Keith McNelly's great website:

volleyandbayonet.wordpress.com

Hi

Calvier books (Partizan Press) have a relatively new title of interest 'The Hungarian Army 1848-49' by Ralph Weaver, basic organisation and uniforms. Well worth a look. Got interested in this after a visit to Budapest and the military history museum in the old town. Lots of pictures, artifacts and some displays / dioramas for the battles and so on. V&B website has some OBB for the larger battles. Certainly be interested if any one has put together 1/72nd armies for it and what they used??

John,

If you look at the top of this thread, you'll notice that Kriszten used various plastics including HAT Napoleonics, Italeri Napoleonics, ESCI ACW [the Hungarians] among others. If you check out his blog, you'll get some idea of how he does what he does and what he uses. You can use various manufacturers figs by swapping heads [which is one of the great things about plastic], though the Austrian cavalry is nothing but paint out of the box, as is the 1st 12 regiments of the Hungarian cavalry. The problem that I see is with the various legions that were raised but I'm sure a more creative person than me could come up with something.

For the Hungarian Honved troops, ACW troops in long coat and kepi work if you cover over the waist belt OR use Prussian Landwehr troops and cut the cap to resemble Kepis…if you don't want to start cutting head. It will work. I use a cut straight pin and drive it into the neck with needle-nosed pliers and then force the head onto the protruding pin shaft.

The rest of both armies can be fleshed out with Napoleonic infantry, artilley and cavalry.

I found the Barcy/Győző book online and bought Weaver's at Salute. Great stuff both and since I can't read Hungarian Weaver's booklet is a good guide.

I would love to do this project in 28mm because of the uniforms but converting so many figures is daunting. It would be easier to sculpt the figures and cast them.

10mm is another option…

Yep. Get a Hungarian-English dictionary. It will help quite abit, but the pictures are pretty self-explanatory.

I have thought about 10mm, but you'd miss alot of the uniform and flag detail…

This looks like a good guide for flags. Hungary – Historical Military Flags (1848)
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"Siedmiogród Panorama" is an oil painting showing the capture of Sybin by Hungarian troops under general J. Bem. The Hungarian government commissioned it to Jan Styka in 1897 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1848 Revolution. This panorama has the same size as the famous monumental Raclawice Panorama – 120m x 15m which can be seen in Wroclaw, Poland. Many painters and panorama experts worked on it. It was exhibited in Lviv, then in Budapest and finally it came back to Poland. In all these places it was very popular. Unfortunately, the Hungarians didn't meet their financial obligations to Styka and the painting was cut in 100 pieces, that were sold around the world. Only 32 pieces have been found and 14 of them are in the Tarnów museum.
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kingscarbine:

I have also put up some Hungarian flags on warflag.com. They're free.

Many thanks for the data Kingscarbine!.

Amicalement
Armand

Found an interesting essay entitled "The structure and command system of the Hungarian army in the War of Independence of 1848–1849". Obviously translated from Hungarian it has some odd words and phrasing but it doesn't hinder the reading.

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Two more PDF files with info:
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Many thanks again my friend.

Amicalement
Armand

Transylvania during the 1848-49 period:
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Found some interesting footage on Youtube that may inspire some of you to do the period:

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Not particularly fond of re-enactment but some uniforms look good:

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Battle of Piski: YouTube link

Piski is a great battle. Thanks for finding that. I hadn't realized how much Hungarian youtube clips were dedicated to the Hungarian war… Though there is too much standing around and the uniforms are generic…to say the least. I didn't see one striped artillery carriage. ;-7

Thanks again for share my friend kingscarbine!

Amicalement
Armand

Bill,

Do you have any suggestions for Hungarian National Militia in civilian clothing with war scyths? I've been looking for suitable figures to convert and think Foundry's Opolchenie are a good option.

There are also cossack infantry types that might work. If you can find Ottoman Turk Albanian infantry from that period, they will have similar clothing. Getting something already with pikes, the Russian Militia is your best bet and their outfits are simple enough that you can do conversions fairly easily. .

Hi Bill,

Here are the runner's up. TAG Russian Soldatski, Cossacks and Foundry Opolchenie:

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Old Glory has a pack of cloacked Grenzers that can give some nice Seressaner and Croats mixed with Perry Bashi-Bazouks and plastic Zouaves.

I think I'm going to commission a range of 28mm Honveds…

Found a nice book about the Hungarian flags. It's "National Relics: a history of the war banners of the Hungarian Revolution and War of Independence, 1848-49" by Jenő Györkei.
Good info and photos.

Another great book is Kedves Gyula's "A Szabadsagharc Huszarai" link
Lots of nice images of cavalry equipment and some colour plates.

Will Perry Mins British Hussars pass as Hungarians? I'm planning to mix the French, British and ACW cavalry sets. I think the French Dragoons can be converted into Hunyadi Hussar with ACW round hats and British Hussars legs.

A mix of British Hussars/dragoons without the shoulder fuzz will work for the various incarnations of Hungarian Hussars. A French Dragoon or even Austrian Dragoon [with full trousers] will work. If you can find hussar legs with hussar boots, a plain torso coat with sash and round hats, that will work. All you'd need to do is create the weird front plastron fo the Hunyadi regiment. I actually used round-hated Mexican cavalry circa 1846 for them.

The French Hussars set has separate legs with overalls and boots. That gives me extra pairs of legs to convert the ACW cavalry.

I think I'll have to convert Hungarian Napoleonic infantry for Hönved and use the Insurrectio for National Guards.

Where can I find 28mm Balkan muskets? I'm going to mix Bashi-Bazouks and convert ACW Zouaves for Jellacic's army.

Hi,

I'm glad of you like my mini (220 figures) diorama, and interested in this war.

Here are some 15mm Hungarians and Austrians. They aren't conversion, they are sculpted for '48-49 war:

More pics you can see here:

bennosfiguresforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12187

More infantry poses and officers, jagers, etc. are under sculpting. And there are some master figures in 1/72 scales. We plan to put them to market soon.

So, please be patience a bit! :)

Bye,
TK

Excelent work Krisztian!
Welcome to the forum and congratulations.

Amicalement
Armand

Hi Guys!

We periodically play 1848 Serb vs Hungarian skirmish with 28mm figures. My name is Janos, Hungarian living in London, member of the South London Warlords (The SALUTE show is our annual club open day, just became bigger than we expected :D ). My friend Alan is from South Africa. His blog is in English:http://novobyzantium.blogspot.co.uk/p/trans-syldavia-1848.html

my blog is in Hungarian, but with many pictures: hadijatekos.blog.hu/tags/1848_49

We use Black Powder or Song of Drums and Shakos.

Hi Janos,

I'm Portuguese recently arrived in London and looking for a wargames club. Unfortunately the SLW are a bit far away from my base.:D

The 1848 Revolution is a project that I would really like to do if I had company. I would appreciate your help with a few translations.

Please contact me at kingscarbine(a)gmail.com

Cheers,

Nuno

Well, it's wonderful to see what others are doing with the Hungarian War, particularly all the conversions of figures, including sculpting their own!

Janos: Nice work on your figures and flags. Did the Serbs carry that yellow flag with the organge Eagle and black teeth around the edges, or is that some of the associated groups? I see you also hold to the notion that the regular Serbian Army was involved in the Revolution too.

You mentioned some great books, including the Barcy Zoltan book. And yes, I'll echo the others in English, and say the Barcy work is a 'wonderful book.' I just wish the thing was translated into English.

Bill