| Milites | 13 Mar 2013 12:29 p.m. PST |
Not really, but they were poor and it does involve urine! link |
| doc mcb | 13 Mar 2013 12:42 p.m. PST |
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| elcid1099 | 13 Mar 2013 12:57 p.m. PST |
Like this one, illustration by MacIan in mid 19th century, so not exactly a revelation…
More MacIan prints here… link Crusader miniatures make a set of similar guys… link |
| nickinsomerset | 13 Mar 2013 12:57 p.m. PST |
cottish colleague had a very Scottish dad who once proudly took him to Culluden. Apparently there is a place where one can find can find where ancestors who fought at the battle were buried. When his dad asked the chap who looked after the place where his ancestors were buried he went away to look it up. He returned to say, he is over there with the rest of the ones who fought for the English!! Tally Ho! |
| Oh Bugger | 13 Mar 2013 1:33 p.m. PST |
Urine was used in most dyeing processes and the leine croich is hardly news at least for historicaly minded Telegraph readers with an interest in Scotland and Ireland. We have done this before on TMP and its worth repeating that the Saffron did not need to be imported. The kilt seems to have begun its genesis with C16th New Scots mercenaries in Ireland belting the plaids. |
| David O Brien | 13 Mar 2013 5:48 p.m. PST |
This is hardly news, even wargaming books dating back to the 1970's mention them fighting in their dyed shirts. |
| charared | 13 Mar 2013 7:15 p.m. PST |
BRAVEHEART *not* "true"? Next thing you'll be trying to tell me is that "The Patriot" isn't real and that evil Brits didn't burn down a church-full of American colonists! ('scuse me, I gotta "tap a kidney"…) 
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| Big Martin Back | 14 Mar 2013 4:26 a.m. PST |
More Scots fought on the Government side at Culloden. From many a point of view Charlie wasn't that "Bonnie" to a lot of them. |
| Great War Ace | 14 Mar 2013 7:14 a.m. PST |
"I'm just mad about Saffron
Saffron's mad about me…." |
| Militia Pete | 14 Mar 2013 7:38 a.m. PST |
"Guys let me show you the newly painted tartans on this 1:1 army that fought at Culloden. It took me 10 years but… Oh, wait. Yellow shirts." Place bad word here! |
| altfritz | 14 Mar 2013 9:18 a.m. PST |
"A lot of historians quite rightly stated that the film Braveheart was not terribly accurate, but what they didn't admit was that they didn't have a clue what would be accurate." So, blame Mel? :-) |
| CooperSteveOnTheLaptop | 14 Mar 2013 12:09 p.m. PST |
I saw a documentary where the one Culloden curator described a New Zealander who was frothing with hate for the evil English & zeal for the Jacobite cause his ancestors had embraced. They asked for his surname so they could locate the ancestor. 'Campbell' he proudly announced. Apparently he left the site a broken man… |
| Lewisgunner | 15 Mar 2013 2:09 a.m. PST |
It is very interesting how emigrants make up a myth about what life was like when their ancestors lived back in the old country. One can have great fun asking Irish Americans what they think about the 1923 Civil War or, as you say about Scots, what were the ancestors supporting in any of the Jacobite rebellions . It is particularly odd to have an Australian whinge about the British or a Kiwi for that matter. After all, who is the colonist?
Similarly with Argentina… what is the claim of people who are descendants of Immigrant Spaniards, Italians and Germans to land that was never occupied , only claimed in the way that Francis Drake claimed California for the England of Elizabeth 1st. nationalism and ethnic identity are invented things that modern people choose to identify themselves with.
I sometimes wonder whether all these books of army lists don't do a mighty job of reinforcing ethnic stereotyping. |
| ancientsgamer | 15 Mar 2013 9:52 a.m. PST |
Roman soldiers treated their tunics in a similar manner…. |
| uglyfatbloke | 13 May 2013 2:25 a.m. PST |
Lewisgunner – you are so right about army lists…who cars about the history if one can chose an army that'll win. I wonder if French wargame rules give a -1 modifier for English knights? |
