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Somua S3513 Mar 2013 6:11 a.m. PST

Was hoping to get some quick information on any big differences between French Young Guard Grenadiers, Chasseurs and Middle Guard Grenadiers, Chasseurs. I've read somewhere the Young Guard were somewhat shabby looking, being grabbed from different units all over the empire, but if both Middle and Young were in their official kit-what would be the main differences in their uniforms? Thanks for any help!

Old Slow Trot13 Mar 2013 6:42 a.m. PST

One diff is likely the headgear. The bearskin hat worn by the Old Guard,and elements of the Middle Guard while the Young Guard wore the shako with the appropriate plumage,at least from what I've been able to gather.

bkim417513 Mar 2013 9:28 a.m. PST

Also, the officers of the Middle Guard were from the OG, so they may have still worn those uniforms.
The Fusilier Grenadiers of the MG had white epaulet fringe vs red

Garde de Paris13 Mar 2013 2:14 p.m. PST

Here goes the memory test again!

The main difference would be the length of the habit, or coat. That was consistent for the length of time these units existed.

The middle guard was usually considered to be the two-battailon Fusilier-Grenadiers and two-battalion Fusilier-Chasseurs.

The grenadiers wore the square-lapelled Old Guard Grenadier coat, but with white fringed epaulettes, sometimes with red crescents, sometimes with red stripes on the white shoulder board. They also had gaiters reaching above the knee as did the Old Guard Grenadiers and Chasseurs. They wore a shako with white chevrons on the side, long scarlet plumes on the front.

The chasseurs wore pointed lapels, as the Old Guard Chasseurs. Red fringed and crescent epaulettes, green shoulder boards. Gaiters above the knee. Shako, no chevrons, green plume tipped red.

The young guard Tirailleur-Grenadiers wore the short light infantry cut-away coat over white vests, dark blue lapels, red pointed cuffs tipped white. Red shoulder flaps edged white. Gaiters were short, below the knee. Shakos with scarlet plume, and I think white chevrons on the side. I personally conside this the handsomest French uniform of the period.

The young guard Voltigeurs wore same light infantry coat, yellow or buff collar (Old Guard Chasseurs and Fusilier Chasseurs had dark blue collars). I draw a blank on the fringed epaulettes, but do NOT recall them being a green shoulder board, red fringes, red crescent. I seem to recall all green with yellow fringe. Shakos with tall green plumes, yellow tip. No side chevrons. red pointed cuffs edged white. Gaiters Below the knee.

I believe the Dutch Guard Grenadiers may have been considered middle guard, but no other Young Guard regiment wore long-tailed habits.

GdeP

Garde de Paris13 Mar 2013 7:26 p.m. PST

I forgot to mention that all the Guard infantry have scarlet turnbacks (the Dutch Grenadiers were "cramoisi" – crimson?)

I have only seen one illustration of French line troops with red turnbacks, and that was an illustration of the 17th Light infantry: The Chasseurs are shown with single crossbelt with bayonet as for line infantry; blue shoulder straps instead of brush epaulettes; no cords on shako. The carabiniers had the bearskin, the rest shakos with ball pompom, and the Voltigeurs had shako with green plume, top (?) half scarlet. The illustration showed the voltigeur with red crescent and fringe to the epaulettes, but I assume green shoulder boards. This was 1810-1812. Very odd for French light infantry, and I wonder is it was a single battalion. Their last uniform before the Bardin regulation has long-tailed coats in classic light infantry style, and all companies had plumes and bruh epaulettes (Commandant Boucquoy's book on French Infantry).

GdeP

Gonsalvo13 Mar 2013 7:56 p.m. PST

You might find these posts to my blog of some interest in this regard

Guard Infantry as of 1809 (except the sailors)
link

Young Guard Tirailleurs:
link

Young Guard Voltigeurs:
link

Certainly the Young Guard would be looking pretty plain by 1813-14… not that I am going to paint them that way!

Peter

stephen116201 Apr 2013 9:53 a.m. PST

At a glance -

Young Guard: blue lapels, shakos

Middle Guard: white lapels, shakos

Old Guard: white lapels, bear skin bonnets

search Google images for young guard, middle guard and old guard for more details.

stephen

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