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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2013 9:29 p.m. PST

Interesting article here.

"…Named indeed "the finest ship of the century" he did not stay long in service in the French Navy. On 18 December 1793, the three-decker was taken by the British during the evacuation of Toulon. The vessel became HMS Commerce de Marseille and immediately sailed to Portsmouth. The English report is very complimentary to her: a ship "with exceptionally fine lines, a good seagoing ship…".
"Despite its size, it navigates like a frigate, it has a good resistance to sea. Very few vessels are comparable to him, it is a remarkable ship, very safe and easy. "
Despite these review, the Royal Navy made very little to maintain him before it was seriosly damaged by a storm on the road to West Indies in November of 1795.
The ship was forced to return to Portsmouth, where he was disarmed. "Trade Marseille" was send into a dock at Plymouth in 1796. There he was removed from the lists of active ships in 1802 and sold for demolition soon after.

The original armament of "Commerce Marseille" consists of 32 guns of 36 pounds as low battery, 34 guns of 24 to the second battery, 34 guns of 12 to 18 guns as high battery and eight howitzers from 6 to 36 on the poop…
The regulations from 1806 and 1807 provide artillery and a forecastle of 118 guns which must be added the six howitzers of 36 on the poop, the total reaching 130 guns. In 1812, this change significantly since artillery guns of 12 replaces the third battery of guns …Howitzers were abandoned and the "118 guns" were armed with 124 new guns. In 1828, this number down to 120: the barrels of 18 of the third battery was replaced by carronades of 36, 16 were armed with carronades of 36 and 18 long guns also. Finally in 1837, the 118 guns, as Valmy whose plans are to be adopted…
I said that these regulations are theoretical and not always respected in practice. We note for example that, under the Empire, the ship had 130 cannons for a few months…

In his excellent book on the Battle of Trafalgar, says Rémi Monaque length of 118 French cannon is 63.62 meters. Seek other sources.

The plan adopted in 1786 for this type of vessel indicates its main dimensions: total length perpendicular to perpendicular, 196 feet 6 inches wide in the middle outside members, 50 feet above the hollow keel line right midship , 25 feet to 5 feet moving battery 5098 tons. Jean Boudriot, in his monumental work "vessels of 74 to 120 guns 1650-1850" published by Anchor, retains these same measures from the original plan: length 196 feet 6 inches, width 50 feet, 25 feet hollow. It states that under the Empire, and from the Austerlitz, the width of the newly constructed 118 canons increased to 50 feet 6 inches. In his article, published in the famous magazine Neptunia (No. 102 – June 1971) devoted to the ocean vessel, Jean gives Boudriot however, for the 118 guns, a length of 63.86 meters, indicating that this length is given outside the stem to the outside of the stern. So our first problem happens: the problem of system measures in shipbuilding. Measures are sometimes given in meters, feet occasionally King (French), sometimes in English feet, etc…"
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Armand

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian15 Feb 2013 9:41 p.m. PST

Isn't that picture the Spanish Santissima Trinidad?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2013 10:35 p.m. PST

Yes it is my friend, but I'm sorry I'm tired and had no time to translate more…
You had to used the translator.

Amicalement
Armand

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