doc mcb | 06 Feb 2013 3:58 a.m. PST |
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EagleSixFive | 06 Feb 2013 6:25 a.m. PST |
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Angel Barracks | 06 Feb 2013 6:43 a.m. PST |
I have no issue with any company looking after their IP. However I really do not think GW have a legitimate claim on 'space marine'. I don't have much but I will give him a tenner if he wants to take them on in court. |
Parzival | 06 Feb 2013 6:52 a.m. PST |
I commented at the link that this might be of interest to the Authors Guild, which exists to protect authors from excessive garbage like this. Signed, Parzival the Space Marine. |
Dances With Words | 06 Feb 2013 6:56 a.m. PST |
so how come Lucas didn't go after Prez RR when they were using the term 'Star Wars' for space-based weapondry? ????? Or GW going after RR for 'evil empire' comment???? Oh, that's right, it's only everybody else that calls them the 'evil empire'
..the USSR 'dissolved' so it's been freed up for re-use! what about 'Bill the Intergalactic Space Marine?' I'm SOOOOOO confused! |
Angel Barracks | 06 Feb 2013 7:00 a.m. PST |
what about 'Bill the Intergalactic Space Marine? I think it was:
Bill, the Galactic Hero. |
Chef Lackey Rich | 06 Feb 2013 7:38 a.m. PST |
I think it was:Bill, the Galactic Hero. And you're correct. No "Space Marine" in the title of any of the books. |
Meiczyslaw | 06 Feb 2013 7:43 a.m. PST |
I don't know if y'all noticed, but the author's post got Instalanched. This is getting a lot of attention beyond the game industry at this point. If Spots is willing to fight, there are people willing to foot the bill. |
Garand | 06 Feb 2013 8:00 a.m. PST |
so how come Lucas didn't go after Prez RR when they were using the term 'Star Wars' for space-based weapondry? But Lucas DID go after FASA over the use of the term BattleDROIDS
Damon. |
nvdoyle | 06 Feb 2013 8:01 a.m. PST |
"so how come Lucas didn't go after Prez RR when they were using the term 'Star Wars' for space-based weapondry?" That was the term the critics used, not the administration. |
ancientsgamer | 06 Feb 2013 8:07 a.m. PST |
It's all BS. The term Space Marine already existed in print prior to Games Workshop. Terms like Chaos Space Marine and chapter names are wholely different. This is what happens when you have staff lawyers and the defendents have no lawyers or bad ones. Another reason to dislike the GW machine I'm affraid. This is not about protecting intellectual property either. You can argue GW's side all you want but they didn't coin the phrase. I will submit that they own the rights to figures and games with Space Marine but certainly not books. |
richarDISNEY | 06 Feb 2013 8:28 a.m. PST |
This
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lame
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Phil Hall | 06 Feb 2013 9:33 a.m. PST |
I see that this has shown up on the walls of several SF authors on Facebook. In the case of John Ringo several people have posted links to the article. |
doc mcb | 06 Feb 2013 9:36 a.m. PST |
Yeah, I already knew about this issue from TMP but was struck by the Instalanche. Glenn Reynolds' INSTAPUNDIT blog has a LOT of influence. Bet this gets picked up by some lawyer, pro-bono or for the publicity or just sheer fun of it. |
Jovian1 | 06 Feb 2013 9:39 a.m. PST |
Sell it through Lulu or some other e-book seller – and wait and see if they go after you there! |
darthfozzywig | 06 Feb 2013 10:53 a.m. PST |
I know someone else who won't be pleased
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Wartopia | 06 Feb 2013 10:54 a.m. PST |
FGU's miniatures rules called "Space Marines" was published by FGU in 1979 and prior to that by FanTac Games in 1977. If GW's claim is enforceable might FGU, FanTac Games, or whomever currently owns the rights to the original FGU/FTG Space Marines game have a claim against GW? Or maybe GW is already paying royalties to FGU? |
john lacour | 06 Feb 2013 12:41 p.m. PST |
IS THAT SGT. KNOX? oh, thats funny! |
Mithmee | 06 Feb 2013 1:52 p.m. PST |
The author of that book should get a Lawyer and sue both GW & Amazon. GW is using Extortion and bullying to get their way. Until someone stands up to them they will continue to do this. There is no way that the two words Space Marine can be copywrited or be a IP. Just another reason to hate GW. |
Dan Wideman II | 06 Feb 2013 2:09 p.m. PST |
I wonder if all the people who say "get a lawyer" think it's that simple. Lawyers don't work on a result based system as a rule. You pay by the hour win or lose for the most part, and GW has far more money than the average author or small miniature company. Just look at the Chapterhouse v GW case. It has dragged on for over two years now and they are still contesting discovery. GW has withheld, hidden, and outright lied about information to the point that sanctions may be sought against one of its lawyers. If CH did not have pro bono representation then the case would have ended with a group of people out of jobs and GW strengthening their ownership of such unique symbols on miniatures as Arrows, Skulls, and Chevrons. "Get a Lawyer," while sadly the only way to contest many of these tactics, is not practical advice. |
Meiczyslaw | 06 Feb 2013 4:12 p.m. PST |
"Get a Lawyer," while sadly the only way to contest many of these tactics, is not practical advice. The practical advice is "Start a Defense Fund." |
Wolfprophet | 06 Feb 2013 9:10 p.m. PST |
Sergeant Knox? That's Captain Hajime Saito. I'm going to assume that they demoted him in addition to giving him an English name when they translated the 2nd season of Space Battleship Yamato? |
BlackWidowPilot | 06 Feb 2013 10:08 p.m. PST |
The term Space Marine already existed in print prior to Games Workshop. The term originated in the pulp fiction of the 1930s IIRC
example:
link Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net
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BlackWidowPilot | 06 Feb 2013 10:09 p.m. PST |
FGU's miniatures rules called "Space Marines" was published by FGU in 1979 and prior to that by FanTac Games in 1977. Correct on both counts; I've copies of both editions on my desk as I type this
Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net
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Whatisitgood4atwork | 06 Feb 2013 11:52 p.m. PST |
Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. |
Marcus Maximus | 07 Feb 2013 12:20 a.m. PST |
Whatisitgood4atwork – to see the devil rear it's head you must hold a candle in your left hand and look into the mirror whilst chanting the above, it wont work otherwise
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Whatisitgood4atwork | 07 Feb 2013 3:03 a.m. PST |
Darn. I'm at work. No open flames allowed. Someone might think I'm smoking. |
Wartopia | 07 Feb 2013 5:49 a.m. PST |
Some interesting news: I e-mailed the folks at FGU about this issue and Linda Bizar was kind enough to reply. She said that they've never been contacted by GW about the Space Marines trademark nor have they contacted GW. They also plan to release an updated version of the Space Opera books which would presumably include the use of the term Space Marines. Here's the bulk of her reply: "When they first used Space Marine(s) on a book we were not in the financial position to challenge them legally and we have known of their use for so long that we would probably no longer be able to do so. Had they used "Space Opera" or one of our other trademarked titles, we would have taken action. We are in the process of redoing our original game and have no concern over GW threatening us. I am unaware of any other author using the title for a game and we might well have taken action against such a new author as we have been doing over various titles over the past ten or so years. At the same time, I am sorry to see that GW is acting the bully with a title that they well know they were not the first to use." I loved playing Space Marines as a geeky teenager back in the 80s and even used Space Opera to play starship battles on grid paper. I hope that FGU would prevail in a legal battle against GW over the issue but I doubt their pockets are deep enough. |
kabrank | 07 Feb 2013 6:32 a.m. PST |
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kabrank | 08 Feb 2013 6:39 a.m. PST |
The Story has now made the BBC link |
BlackWidowPilot | 08 Feb 2013 7:22 p.m. PST |
An interview with the author Ms. Maggie Hogarth: YouTube link A legal/lawyers blogsite/forum where the call to assist Ms. Hogarth has gone out:
link I smell a Streisand Effect brewing
Leland R. Erickson Metal Express metal-express.net
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Dunadan | 08 Feb 2013 10:41 p.m. PST |
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SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER | 10 Feb 2013 2:06 p.m. PST |
I have now trademarked Space Marine Critter! |
Number6 | 11 Feb 2013 3:00 a.m. PST |
It's tempting to blame the owners/staff of GW – but companies never do something like this without being goaded into it by their lawyers. The lawyers line is "You have to do this to protect your intellectual property" – when really they are saying "We have to do this to justify our overpaid jobs." |
kabrank | 11 Feb 2013 6:50 a.m. PST |
Ordered from Amazon One "Space Marine" I am happy to buy. |