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Personal logo doc mcb Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 2:58 a.m. PST

mcahogarth.org/?p=10593

This is the GW-defends-its-copyright-through-legal-bullying case.

EagleSixFive Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 5:25 a.m. PST

May I also suggest putting this issue on some of the 40/k dedicated forums such as
BoLS belloflostsouls.blogspot.com
Dakka link
Warseer link

Angel Barracks Inactive Member06 Feb 2013 5:43 a.m. PST

I have no issue with any company looking after their IP.
However I really do not think GW have a legitimate claim on 'space marine'.

I don't have much but I will give him a tenner if he wants to take them on in court.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 5:52 a.m. PST

I commented at the link that this might be of interest to the Authors Guild, which exists to protect authors from excessive garbage like this.

Signed,

Parzival the Space Marine.

Personal logo Dances With Words Supporting Member of TMP Fezian06 Feb 2013 5:56 a.m. PST

so how come Lucas didn't go after Prez RR when they were using the term 'Star Wars' for space-based weapondry?

?????

Or GW going after RR for 'evil empire' comment????

Oh, that's right, it's only everybody else that calls them the
'evil empire'…..the USSR 'dissolved' so it's been freed up for re-use!

what about 'Bill the Intergalactic Space Marine?'

I'm SOOOOOO confused!

Angel Barracks Inactive Member06 Feb 2013 6:00 a.m. PST

what about 'Bill the Intergalactic Space Marine?


I think it was:

Bill, the Galactic Hero.

Chief Lackey Rich Supporting Member of TMP Fezian06 Feb 2013 6:38 a.m. PST

I think it was:

Bill, the Galactic Hero.

And you're correct. No "Space Marine" in the title of any of the books.

Personal logo Meiczyslaw Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 6:43 a.m. PST

I don't know if y'all noticed, but the author's post got Instalanched. This is getting a lot of attention beyond the game industry at this point.

If Spots is willing to fight, there are people willing to foot the bill.

Garand06 Feb 2013 7:00 a.m. PST

so how come Lucas didn't go after Prez RR when they were using the term 'Star Wars' for space-based weapondry?

But Lucas DID go after FASA over the use of the term BattleDROIDS…

Damon.

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 7:01 a.m. PST

"so how come Lucas didn't go after Prez RR when they were using the term 'Star Wars' for space-based weapondry?"

That was the term the critics used, not the administration.

ancientsgamer Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 7:07 a.m. PST

It's all BS. The term Space Marine already existed in print prior to Games Workshop. Terms like Chaos Space Marine and chapter names are wholely different. This is what happens when you have staff lawyers and the defendents have no lawyers or bad ones. Another reason to dislike the GW machine I'm affraid. This is not about protecting intellectual property either. You can argue GW's side all you want but they didn't coin the phrase. I will submit that they own the rights to figures and games with Space Marine but certainly not books.

Personal logo richarDISNEY of the RDGC Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 7:28 a.m. PST

This…is…lame…
beer

Phil Hall06 Feb 2013 8:33 a.m. PST

I see that this has shown up on the walls of several SF authors on Facebook. In the case of John Ringo several people have posted links to the article.

Personal logo doc mcb Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 8:36 a.m. PST

Yeah, I already knew about this issue from TMP but was struck by the Instalanche. Glenn Reynolds' INSTAPUNDIT blog has a LOT of influence. Bet this gets picked up by some lawyer, pro-bono or for the publicity or just sheer fun of it.

Jovian106 Feb 2013 8:39 a.m. PST

Sell it through Lulu or some other e-book seller – and wait and see if they go after you there!

darthfozzywig Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 9:53 a.m. PST

I know someone else who won't be pleased…

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Wartopia Inactive Member06 Feb 2013 9:54 a.m. PST

FGU's miniatures rules called "Space Marines" was published by FGU in 1979 and prior to that by FanTac Games in 1977.

If GW's claim is enforceable might FGU, FanTac Games, or whomever currently owns the rights to the original FGU/FTG Space Marines game have a claim against GW? Or maybe GW is already paying royalties to FGU?

john lacour06 Feb 2013 11:41 a.m. PST

IS THAT SGT. KNOX? oh, thats funny!

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 12:52 p.m. PST

The author of that book should get a Lawyer and sue both GW & Amazon.

GW is using Extortion and bullying to get their way.

Until someone stands up to them they will continue to do this.

There is no way that the two words Space Marine can be copywrited or be a IP.

Just another reason to hate GW.

Dan Wideman II06 Feb 2013 1:09 p.m. PST

I wonder if all the people who say "get a lawyer" think it's that simple. Lawyers don't work on a result based system as a rule. You pay by the hour win or lose for the most part, and GW has far more money than the average author or small miniature company.

Just look at the Chapterhouse v GW case. It has dragged on for over two years now and they are still contesting discovery. GW has withheld, hidden, and outright lied about information to the point that sanctions may be sought against one of its lawyers.

If CH did not have pro bono representation then the case would have ended with a group of people out of jobs and GW strengthening their ownership of such unique symbols on miniatures as Arrows, Skulls, and Chevrons.

"Get a Lawyer," while sadly the only way to contest many of these tactics, is not practical advice.

Personal logo Meiczyslaw Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 3:12 p.m. PST

"Get a Lawyer," while sadly the only way to contest many of these tactics, is not practical advice.

The practical advice is "Start a Defense Fund."

Wolfprophet06 Feb 2013 8:10 p.m. PST

Sergeant Knox?

That's Captain Hajime Saito. grin I'm going to assume that they demoted him in addition to giving him an English name when they translated the 2nd season of Space Battleship Yamato?

BlackWidowPilot Supporting Member of TMP Fezian06 Feb 2013 9:08 p.m. PST

The term Space Marine already existed in print prior to Games Workshop.


The term originated in the pulp fiction of the 1930s IIRC… example:

link


Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

BlackWidowPilot Supporting Member of TMP Fezian06 Feb 2013 9:09 p.m. PST

FGU's miniatures rules called "Space Marines" was published by FGU in 1979 and prior to that by FanTac Games in 1977.


Correct on both counts; I've copies of both editions on my desk as I type this…

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Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

Whatisitgood4atwork Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2013 10:52 p.m. PST

Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines. Space Marines.

Marcus Maximus06 Feb 2013 11:20 p.m. PST

Whatisitgood4atwork – to see the devil rear it's head you must hold a candle in your left hand and look into the mirror whilst chanting the above, it wont work otherwise….

Whatisitgood4atwork Supporting Member of TMP07 Feb 2013 2:03 a.m. PST

Darn. I'm at work. No open flames allowed. Someone might think I'm smoking.

Wartopia Inactive Member07 Feb 2013 4:49 a.m. PST

Some interesting news:

I e-mailed the folks at FGU about this issue and Linda Bizar was kind enough to reply.

She said that they've never been contacted by GW about the Space Marines trademark nor have they contacted GW. They also plan to release an updated version of the Space Opera books which would presumably include the use of the term Space Marines. Here's the bulk of her reply:

"When they first used Space Marine(s) on a book we were not in the financial position to challenge them legally and we have known of their use for so long that we would probably no longer be able to do so. Had they used "Space Opera" or one of our other trademarked titles, we would have taken action.

We are in the process of redoing our original game and have no concern over GW threatening us. I am unaware of any other author using the title for a game and we might well have taken action against such a new author as we have been doing over various titles over the past ten or so years.

At the same time, I am sorry to see that GW is acting the bully with a title that they well know they were not the first to use."

I loved playing Space Marines as a geeky teenager back in the 80s and even used Space Opera to play starship battles on grid paper. I hope that FGU would prevail in a legal battle against GW over the issue but I doubt their pockets are deep enough.

kabrank07 Feb 2013 5:32 a.m. PST

Progress/status wrt Authors site

mcahogarth.org/?p=10638

kabrank08 Feb 2013 5:39 a.m. PST

The Story has now made the BBC

link

BlackWidowPilot Supporting Member of TMP Fezian08 Feb 2013 6:22 p.m. PST

An interview with the author Ms. Maggie Hogarth:

YouTube link


A legal/lawyers blogsite/forum where the call to assist Ms. Hogarth has gone out:

link


I smell a Streisand Effect brewing… evil grin


Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

Dunadan08 Feb 2013 9:41 p.m. PST

Good news! SPOTS has been re-instated on Amazon!
mcahogarth.org/?p=10661

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER Inactive Member10 Feb 2013 1:06 p.m. PST

I have now trademarked Space Marine Critter!

Number611 Feb 2013 2:00 a.m. PST

It's tempting to blame the owners/staff of GW – but companies never do something like this without being goaded into it by their lawyers. The lawyers line is "You have to do this to protect your intellectual property" – when really they are saying "We have to do this to justify our overpaid jobs."

kabrank11 Feb 2013 5:50 a.m. PST

Ordered from Amazon

One "Space Marine" I am happy to buy.

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