"Perry's vs Foundry's french hussars" Topic

Has anybody attempted to field Perry's plastics together with Foundry's metal french hussars in the same unit?. Do sizes mix adequately?. Any pictures?

Thanks

Foundry are considerably smaller, even when you lift the model up on a double base.

Raglan

Perry plastic riders and horses are more realistically sculpted – the Foundry ones are kind of stubby looking. Both are very nice, but would look a bit out of place in the same unit, IMO. Not hussars, but some Perry plastic French Cuirassiers and Foundry Russian Cuirassiers next to each other below:

I agree with Dean.

Here's a side by side of Foundry then Perry Prussians.

Foundrys were also sculpted by the Perrys so stylically the same. The largest difference are the larger (and better) 'Perry' horses.
You can see the difference in my blog entry on this topic at link
It not the rider, it's the darn horse! (I hate painting horses. If it's brown…it's a horse)

Hey, James – why is that Prussian dad running away from his little boy and pony?

Doug: I think the Foundry riders are also a little stocky/stubby compared to the current Perry crop. If you were to mount a Foundry rider on a Perry horse, I think it would look a bit out of place.

BTW, nice Prussians and French, guys – see you both at Enfilade! 2015 for our collaborative Waterloo project Best, Dean

"Foundry are considerably smaller" ??
I thought they were both marketed as 28mm?
They can't both be 28mm?
As I am told so often --they should call them what they are !!!! LOL !!
Regards
Russ Dunaway

That's why it's highly recommended to use the technical suffix "-ish" when addressing scale/size.

Dean, nanuphobia is a serious condition!; and no joking matter. Many larger scale miniatures suffer from this disabilitating mental disease. I manage a charitable support rehab center for scale challenged models, and I will turn no miniature away. One must simply ask me for my mailing address to find thier "misfits" a loving home.

Russ, unlike Dean, I am not prejudice against scale challenged miniatures. I just keep them in different units, preferably on different sides of the army. Seperate but equal.

It all depends on whether you want anatomically perfect repros of what rode across a battlefield (personally I do, so favour Perrys' work) or the more artistic interpretation that you see with Foundry/Front Rank etc.

I do hope this message thread will prosper and continue as there is an important message here to the manufacturers.

The little stubby guys can be beautifully painted, there is a vast range beyond 1815 and they look terrific. There is an overlap. Perrys have designed elsewhere and can still produce the odd "throwbacks" in their own range. The recent Dragoons of the Guard feature the most superb officer and officer eagle bearer, a good foot taller than their subordinates, who are hobbits! The Perrys maybe get complacent and swap a few minor items to make achondroplastic grenadiers a cheval into dragoons maybe? That same basic figure has appeared so many times……..and never grown any taller.

At the other extreme, the Perry plastic French Heavy Cavalry. How many times have we seen the cuirassiers, now painted to a superb standard? How rarely do we see the Carabiniers? Face-on, these giants have tiny heads. (actually I note the top pic shows that!). Baconfat's picture is brilliant in showing two versions of the same figure. The Foundry figure has the same sized head as the Perry, but he has been deprived of thyroxine and growth hormone and is riding My Little Pony. Reminds me just how superior are Perrys at their best.

Realism is toned down colours to uniforms, blue that is nearer black. It is no full dress uniforms, it is shako covers on everyone, lance pennons furled up, no eagles carried into action by most French cavalry. Dull.

The Perrys maybe get complacent

Heresy! Bring out the tar and feathers!
All praise the Heavenly Twins!

Back to the OP, while I have no Foundry hussars the Perry plastic ones are fairly long in the limb, as are their mounts. The Foundry hussars would have to be taller than the rest of Foundry's Napoleonic range to match them, and if they were I'd say we'd have heard by now…

The plastic hussars are lovely figures, esp. if you like your hussars charging about (I'd have preferred a option skirmishing with firearms). Just keep them in their own unit as Bacon suggests.

the horses are much too tall.

von Winterfeldt

"the horses are much too tall."

All I can go on is what I see in a North Yorkshire field from my bedroon window. The local Tabithas and Hermiones (the middle class girls) ride the horse on the left. A pony, as seen above…….. Visit the London Horse Guards' Parade or see the Garde Republicane en Paris and horses look a les Perrys, as on the right…heavy cavalry.

To Musketier;
Just because the Perrys are the best modellers in the universe by far…..allowing for the guy with the grey beard in the Sistine Chapel who actually does real humans better….you have to allow heresy!

As I burn in Piazza de la Signora (great restaurants by the way, if expensive) in Florence, my last cry would be " All hail the Perrys, except when they get it wrong". As the flames consume me, like Savonarola, I would recall that officer of cuirassiers at rest (their worst ever figure), the troopers of Grenadiers a Chev and Dragoons of the Guard with swords shouldered….Hobbits……awful.

But, as St Peter greeted me I would then recall their Horse Artillery of the Guard figs, the cuirassiers hit by canister, the hussars at the forge, the Marins de la Garde, Colonel Heymes next to Ney…when they get it right……..God they are good! If only they would listen to us heretics.

If only there was some competition. If you want anatomically correct figures for display ( I have never played a wargame in my life….maybe after I retire……………I just stare at them and think….God they are good…the Perrys)………how I wish someone would do the Gendarmes d'Elite, the Horse Grenadiers, the Empress Dragoons to scale. Like that chap Martin Luther I want to nail something to my church door, Protest! But no, my Irish Catholic mother is now rolling in her grave.

Actually by Renaissance standards, tar and feathers would be getting off lightly

deadhead: "As the flames consume me, like Savonarola, I would recall that officer of cuirassiers at rest (their worst ever figure), the troopers of Grenadiers a Chev and Dragoons of the Guard with swords shouldered….Hobbits……awful"

I was just looking at them today and compared to their plastic cuirassier, yes, absolutely, you are correct about them being 'hobbits'. I just didn't quite knew why I didn't like the blokes. Gosh, they are Perrys aren't they?! Thanks for the confirmation.
Perhaps they went back to their Foundry training for those.

In the many years of my wargaming, our standards have certainly been raised and what was "that is absolutely beautiful!" is now, "kinda stumpy, ain't it?"

The situation is as if the employee can make 26 widgets an hour but only 24 is required, the boss will now want the employee to make 27!

Auld Minis ter (what a great name by the way) tell me about targets. I work for the NHS……

Perrys must be allowed the occasional howler. I think for wargamers creating units en masse, the three lads who appear over and over again, whether Scots Greys, British Union Brigade Dragoons, Dragoons of the Guard, Grenadiers a Chev…..the three with swords shouldered. …one looking right, one straight ahead, one left………. are fine. You usually gaze down on them.

If however you just want to paint up the best figures in 28mm, well actually they are still not bad. But, if only, if only, they could be slightly less stumpy, they would be brilliant. The officer of cuirassiers at rest, he is now face down in the mud of Waterloo (the real stuff…I have now run out though, so must go back) with one leg draped over his dead horse. Not wasted.

Perry's promise Gendarmes d'Elite, but, if so, Please not the same three with bearskins from the artillery of the guard.

One cannot compare 21st century peace time parade horses to those of the Napoleonic time, horses even for heavy cavalry were much smaller as one would think – look at contemporary prints.
as for Prussians

60 Zoll = 156,92 cm Kürassiere
59 Zoll = 154,31 cm Dragoner
59 Zoll = 154,31 cm Uhlanen
58 Zoll = 151,69 cm Husaren

go figure

otherwise I agree the Perrys do a very fine job.

Actually by Renaissance standards, tar and feathers would be getting off lightly

Deadhead, in my first draft I had "stack up the brushwood!" but decided to drop it, this being a US-moderated site an' all…