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chrach708 Dec 2012 9:48 a.m. PST

What is the difference between dbm and dbmm? Also, are the rules for sale or freely downloadable?

Personal logo Brigadier General Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2012 10:13 a.m. PST

You can download DBM 3.2 here: PDF link

DBM is free but DBMM is not. I've never played DBMM so I can't tell you directly. I've read that it was Phil's response to Field of Glory but that was someone's opinion.

Skeptic08 Dec 2012 10:20 a.m. PST

I'm not an expert, but I would think of DBMM as being more or less a successor to DBM.

teenage visigoth Inactive Member08 Dec 2012 10:45 a.m. PST

In DBx-land there are no stupid questions, jut obvious queries that elicit multi-phrase responses Delphically derived.

I think that's why I like it…
-TV

Phillius Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2012 2:05 p.m. PST

Having played both, I find DBMM far superior. In many ways it is a successor, but in other ways it is a big step in a different direction. If that's not double-dutch.

ancientsgamer Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2012 3:08 p.m. PST

DBMM was being developed prior to FoG's release, if I remember correctly. I know that DBMM uses leadership attributes of famous generals. So Hannibal gets some bonuses in the leadership (pip?) area.

I was never a fan of DBM. I didn't see the advantage of details it added to DBA. For larger battles, Big Battle DBA is an option. Being that it is a simpler game, I don't mind the unit abstraction as much. I prefer games that have multi-stand units.

From what I have gleaned from others, I would think that DBMM is an evolution of DBM and is probably a better game.

Who asked this joker08 Dec 2012 3:41 p.m. PST

I've seen both.

DBMM has outcomes based on whether it is your turn or not.
DBMM has stratagems, which are these little tricks and such that you can do outside of the battlefield.
There is some general grading in DBMM. This goes hand in hand with stratagems. Some stratagems are not available to lesser generals.

Much of the rest of the game will seem familiar to the DBM player. There is probably other things I've missed. I am working through DBM 3 right now and think i'll play a game or two to see how it is.

kreoseus209 Dec 2012 2:42 a.m. PST

I think DBMM is a better game than DBM, with more decisive results and less "victory trhough superior geometry" , however the combat results can be complex ( based on troop type, quality ratings, whose turn it is, phase of the moon). I have seen a flowchart to show combat outcome.

LorenzoMele Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2012 3:00 a.m. PST

I prefer DBMM to DBM.
It is more dynamic, it encourages to be active and aggressive, it's less gamey.
It is better to recreates historical tactics, and also the pre battle job (army list preparation, plans) is more important.


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platypus01au09 Dec 2012 3:14 a.m. PST

So to wrap up;

DBMM is the successor to DBM.

DBMM was in development before FoG, but was published a little after.

DBMM has a bunch of extra mechanisms that are not on DBM, but the game is fairly similar.

Some people prefer DBMM, others stayed with DBM.

Personally I prefer DBMM.

See below for details

dbmm.org.uk

Cheers,
JohnG

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