"Perry Miniatures - Volunteers of Ireland" Topic

On their workbench:

A good addition to their range but I would have prefered the Brunswickers or the Philadelphia Associators

Anyway I am always happy with AWI Perry news

Cheers

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Very cool addition. I will add these to my raw lead stockpile just in case of nuclear war……fallout protection you know.

Always nice. And I second the call for Associators.

Bill, your stockpile is going to be my shelter when I retire to Florida… Better make room for Greg and I now.

Eric

My prayers have been answered!

H'mmm. I'll have to see what else these can be painted up as!

This is excellent news – a much-desired addition to the range. I wonder if Alan plans to do any more southern theatre troops, particularly on the loyalist side. A couple of packs of figures in unlaced coats, a variety of hats and with full gaiters or leggings would be very useful for a variety of units (both loyalist and patriot).

Great news, had almost given up on new metals, lets hope there are more to come.

This image from the Volunteers of Ireland site shows what Brandenburg style lace is for people like me, who had no idea. A smart uniform.

voi.crownforces.org/uniform.html

H'mmm. I'll have to see what else these can be painted up as!

'Imagi-Native' jäger or fusiliers, for sure.
John the OFM mentioned about them the Sal(i)vation Army of the Anabaptist Archbishopric of Zenda, if I remember well

his image from the Volunteers of Ireland site shows what Brandenburg style lace is for people like me, who had no idea. A smart uniform.
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Female in uniform..UGH!

Bob

Hard to imagine they got many volunteers with that uniform. :-)

Sorry to be a noob, but can anyone explain what is lace in the context of uniforms?

Thanks!

"Lace" is the strip of cloth that goes around buttonholes.
In many cases it had embroidery unique to a specific regiment.

Thanks for the response and answer!!!

Jorge

I've just ordered my 24 man VoI regt ! But the question is, what colours to give them ?
There doesn't seem to be much on this, and the obvious supplier (GMB) doesn't even hazard a guess…
EC

Recent research seems to suggest that British regiments did not carry their colours into the field during the AWI. If you adopt that policy, then it solves your problem. Convenient.

On the other hand, you could modify a King's Colour and create a regiment flag, presumably with a dark green field to match the facing colours of the uniform, and then paint some sort of heraldric devise in the center -- Perhaps an Irish harp with a scroll beneath it. The scroll has the words, "Volunteers of Ireland".

I tend to think that Loyalist regiments wanted to be "more British than the British". They did fight a stand-up battle, and were more or less "regulars" in the South.
I would go by DAF's suggestion.

DAF, I certainly don't think there was any rule about leaving colours in storage, although I think one or two regiments did do that. Sgt Lamb describes carrying the 23rd's at Camden and there are other references to them on the field too. The 7th Foot managed to get colours captured in battle on two separate occasions. Several were surrendered at Yorktown too…
The more pertinent issues, in my view, could be that as a newly formed provincial corps they might not yet have been presented, and that as a 'petite guerre' type formation they might have considered it too risky to carry them in the field,
yours
EC

EC: in any event, whether they carried the flags or not, I include them with my British units (GMB flags) because they make the regiment look so much better.

Did the Royal Highland Emigrants have flags? If so, perhaps theirs could be used as the basis for a conjectural VoI set of flags since both were loyalist regiments raised in North America.

The RHE had an interesting set of Regular colours, which were dark blue, but actually carried the number "77" (in Arabic numerals, IIRC) because that was its intended number when the decision was first made to "Regularise" it. However, the process took so long that by the time the process was completed, its seniority had "slipped" to 84th.

I've seen a website somewhere that had a conjectural single green colour with religious symbols, based on a speculative flag that might just possibly have been carried by the Roman Catholic Volunteers, raised in Philadelphia in 1777/78.

If "the Ladies" sew up a flag for your brand spanking new regiment, you HAVE to carry them. It would be un-gentlemanly not to.

That Roman Catholic Volunteers site may have been Warflag. 'Nuff said about that!

Were not the RCV amalgamated with the VoI later?

DAF – agree entirely about the colours boosting the look of the units !
Supercilious – I would need to delve into files but I think the Vols of Ireland had a numbering in the line just like the RHE and Kings got them. I am tempted to use my spare GMB set for the 76th Highlanders (i.e. green facings) and simple fold them so that the number is not legible…
EC

I plan to go crazy on these guys' flags. Full-on emerald green with a big harp in the middle, some battle Gaelic script and a union jack (or rather 1780s equivalent) somewhere in the corner. I'll paint you a couple if you like, EC :^)

How could I refuse such a kind offer Giles !!

They were one of the 5 Loyalist regiments "taken unto the Establishment" as the 2nd American Regiment, and/or the 105th Foot.
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As soon as I pick up my 3 packs at Cold Wars and get them painted, I will "do" Hobkirk's Hill!

And I will DEFINITELY do a DAF flag.

Eclaireur,

Usually, it is stated that the VoI became the 105th Foot; this is only partly what happened – in fact they appear to have been absorbed into it (albeit as probably the major component), as it was one of the six line regiments (100th-105th) raised in Ireland very late in the war. Quite how this worked, I have not yet been able to ascertain. The incident with the RHE, where their colours were numbered some way ahead of their eventual designation, suggests that the acquisition of colours was somewhere high on the list of priorities for at least some Loyalist corps. The question is whether Rawdon saw this unit as similar in type to the QR and BL to justify NOT having any, or whether his proprietorial instincts got the better of him and, like any true "gamer" he just had to have them……

Huzzah for the 105th !
Thanks Supercilius for that. I'm not sure the VoI were a legionary corps in the same way as the QR and BL. And I certainly would agree that Rawdon was quite a character, and very good at playing the army and patronage system. So maybe he did insist upon colours,
EC

Any regiment of which *I* am the Colonel has colours. I insist on it!

So can anyone explain the thinking behind this ah, er, mmm, uniform? :-) It is so out of the ordinary.

No, but here are two options I'd have as a cheeky little side bet:

1) Scene: artist's studio
Dramatis Personae: Lord Rawdon, artist

Artist: My Lord, these men of your regiment in the background of this portrait – what should they be wearing?

Rawdon: (Hic!) Damn'd if I can remember – make something up.

Artist (gazing out of studio window at passing troupe of circus performers): Fair enough, my Lord……

2) Scene: English woollen mill
Dramatis Personae: Lord Rawdon, mill manager

Rawdon: So, what have you got ready to go in, say, red and…er…ooh, I dunno…green maybe?

Manager: Well, you're in luck. We got an order to make some cute little numbers for the band of the 54th Foot, but due to not being familiar with these new-fangled automated looms, we've made four hundred instead of four. We were going to offer them to the Danes, or perhaps one of the local warlords in the Balkans, but if you can take them off me hands today……

They look rather Hungarian to me. :-)

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3) Scene: Lord Rawdon's London townhouse.
Dramatis Personnae: Lord Rawdon, his French mistress, her favorite Designer

Aw shoot. Write it yourself.

John;
I have a LOVELY flag for you that a certain person of your acquaintance and I have designed just for your pleasure…

I shall bring it when I come up in February.

Eric

Perhaps I should rescind that invitation…
Hmmm. No, best not.

But it suits for the Oirish…

Eric

Does the scroll say "póg mo thóin"?

I've just ordered my 24 man VoI regt ! But the question is, what colours to give them ?
There doesn't seem to be much on this, and the obvious supplier (GMB) doesn't even hazard a guess…
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The Flag Dude!

I have them! :-)

Bob

John;
Umm… there might be something like that on there…

Maybe…

With a big middle finger giving The Salute…..

Eric

Here s a great source for information on Loyalists

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RE colours in the field – 17th foot are very proud of carrying their colours to safety through the encircling rebels at Princeton. The same colours were captured in a night attack at Stoney Point (less proud of that !) so definitely carried in action by the 17th at least.

Didn't the 7th lose their colors twice?

So can anyone explain the thinking behind this ah, er, mmm, uniform? :-) It is so out of the ordinary.

Bob

It is unusual to say the least! The only visual evidence for it, that I am aware of, is an engraving of Rawdon which shows the Brandenburgs and depicts the R&F in the background.

This engraving was reproduced in an Osprey – it may have been May & Embleton's British Army in North America or possibly in the old American Provincial Corps MAA – I cannot check as most of my kit is in store. That said it is less fanciful than the version in Wilkinson Latham's Infantry Uniforms Vol 1. Now that could have been a circus performer or a postilion at the Ritz!