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DucDeGueldres04 Nov 2012 3:20 a.m. PST

We're considering an early 16th century Low Countries game and then real early, about 1500-1510.
Situated during the Guelders war against the Habsburgs.
We are in need aof 25-28mm figures that are suited for town foot militia's.
Which firm produces figures that may be suited as close as possible for this purpose.

The same counts by the way for mounted crossbows and handgunners. I know the Foundry ones, but are their other ones?

The Duke.

Griefbringer04 Nov 2012 4:26 a.m. PST

For the town militia, how about the Perry plastic set of European mercenaries:

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Possibly with the addition of some of these metal heads:

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For mounted crossbowmen, Perrys make a pack of late 15th century Italian crossbowmen. And The Assault Group has lately released two packs of mounted crossbowmen and two packs of mounted arquebusiers in their early 16th century Italian range.

waaslandwarrior04 Nov 2012 4:34 a.m. PST

Old Glory produces a pack of Flemish pikemen in their War of the Roses range, code WOR018.
I have a few of those packs (better sculpted then some of their other ranges) and while a little earlier, they might suit your needs.
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They are fine for late 15C, for example the battle of Guinnegate, 1479.

Cheers,
WimVdB

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Nov 2012 4:39 a.m. PST

Fashion in Northern Europe for the peasants differs considerably from those used by the military a couple of decades before, so here alas I fear the Perrys plastics are not the answer. I will try to dig out a usefull mix later (must be off now).

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Nov 2012 6:13 a.m. PST

In accounts on the battles in Eastern Frisia in the second decade they report that in retreat the Frisian army (actually the contingent of Norden) left the wool on the field – wool they used to stuff out their trousers and shirts to be more baggy. So we can assume that SOME aspects of the flamboyand Landsknecht style has already reached the area and was used by the militia.
We are, however, a decade earlier here – so they will be a bit more decent.

Here is an image I found of a Flandric milita in 1520:

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In short: I do not believe that there are any miniatues out there that fit for city militia of Northern European towns. Thus, what Griefbringer said certainly brings you closest to them – Perry and TAG Italians and Foundry/Artizan Landsknechts, perhaps some plastics with heads. Throw in some characters from Pro Gloria, who have also announced "rank & file" and could well coveryour demands – though there are no previews yet.

DucDeGueldres04 Nov 2012 8:46 a.m. PST

Thanks for teh answers so far.
As the early 16th century in wargaming mostly focusses on the Italian Wars it may be hard to get useful figures.
As for mounted gendarmes and mercenary troops from Spain and Germany/landsknecht this may be no problem, but the local troops pose more a problem.
However the above mentioned may contains some useful items. A a wargamer you sometimes have to make concessions.

Puster, the Pro Gloria figures are already on my want-list, especially for the random scenery etc.

The Duke

Daniel S04 Nov 2012 1:10 p.m. PST

A couple of images from the "Weiss Kunig" which effectively is a history of Maximilian and his campaigns in slighly disguised form. Much space is given to his and his commanders campaigns in the Low countries. City militia and rural milita/levies are shown distinctly diffrent from the Landsknechts, Swiss and Gendarmes used to illustrate the proffesional troops.

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The last image shows peasant rebels rather than the common cityr rebels.

DucDeGueldres04 Nov 2012 1:31 p.m. PST

Interesting pics Danile.
This source was unknown to me.
Thanks.

The Duke.

Daniel S04 Nov 2012 2:23 p.m. PST

I'll see if I can dig up a few more, the work was never finished and both the text and the numerous images languished unused and lost until the 18th Century when they were rediscovered and finaly published in 1775. With in it's limitations such as the artist focusing mostly on the heroic troops using pike & halbered or fighting mounted as Gendarmes it does provide a great source for the apperance of renaissance troops in during the decade it was made.

Camcleod07 Nov 2012 7:30 p.m. PST

"Der Weiß-Kunig" at the Heidelberg University historic literature collection:

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Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Nov 2012 7:47 a.m. PST

Fine link, Thanks!

Note that the scans can be scaled, up to a pretty good resolution – I downloaded some of the interesting scenes :-)

DucDeGueldres12 Nov 2012 2:52 p.m. PST

Thanks for the link Camcleod.

DucDeGueldres20 Nov 2012 3:53 p.m. PST

Perhaps for early 16th century town militia the Perry WoR of their metal European range might do. They wear a tight dress without slashings and/or Spanish/Italian helmets/caps.

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