"Busty adventurers" Topic

Is it a prerequisite that a female adventurer figure has a large bosom?

It does seem so. I just can't get over them ..it..them, oh dear!

Blues 4

Seems to be the case, doesn't it?

Think of it this way. You are organizing a group to go into danger from which you may never return, but hope to return with riches untold.

Who do you pick for your group, the ugly fat chick or the Busty Beauty, knowing you may be spending your last hours on earth with her…

;)

…or that she might provide a distraction to the baddies, so that you could escape.

If she croaks, you can use her bra to carry the loot!

Due to the small size of some figures, and the limitations of some peoples' skills on sculpting faces, bodies, etc., without them, how can you tell the figure is not a 12 – 16 year old boy without them?

Note, this dynamic also applies in real life, in the non-sculpting field as well, in many cases. Hence, some peoples' splurging on surgical enhancements.

Simple answer: Most sculptors and miniautre buyers are male ;)

Personally, I take the roly-poly gal into the dungeon.

I don't have to outrun the monster… I just have to outrun her. (Plus, a heavy meal slows them down even more!)

I hate to say we have been here before but we have. Lage busts and oversized weapons seem to be the standard in sculpting 25mm miniatures. These features are common to fantasy whether it be art, literature, or gaming. Truth be told that is what all the non-historic and a large part of historic miniature games are.

Is there something wrong with that?

I think this is rooted in the history of gaming. What are the key points we use to determine a person's sex? In all but a few groups like the Gallic Gesaetae, sexual organs are covered, so we are left with secondary or even tertiary sexual characteristics. In our species, females are generally smaller than males, they have busts, and some of the proportions differ, legs to body length, waist to shoulders, for example. In most cultures, females wear their hair longer than males, and they wear dresses or skirts, or other clothing that is identified as female. With figures, the size differential was almost indiscernible, especially comparing one manufacturer to another. Proportions were also hard to scale down. Clothing--most figures were in historically male dress. Hair? Well, these figures were for the historical or fantasy Middle Ages, and guys wore their hair long then, too. So, the female figures got busts. If you were to set up a Bell curve of actual female endowments, most female figures would be well to the right of the average. A few, like the old Ral Partha Amazons, unbelievably so. I think this approach has carried over from the first fantasy/medieval female figures to figures for all periods. Still, there have been a few figures all along who are built more nearly like the gals I see at work.
Grelber

I had a cosmetic surgeon tell me that in the Western world, the physical traits that define a person as female are in this order: boobs, eyes, lips, then hips. On a 28mm miniature boobs & hips would be what the eye would see first.

-Elaine

Lara Croft set the standard that all female adventurers must now equal or exceed. It's the law.

I am a fan of smaller boobies myself. A woman doesn't have to have DDs to be sexy. A cute face, a good personality and a nice butt helps.

For miniatures though…. Yes, Boobs and hips are beyond all doubt the key.

> Lara Croft set the standard

Bah, it was Boris Vallejo who defined the standard of who Conan would hang out with, Fafhrid and the Grey Mouser seemed to take the queue from there.

More dishappen males please. Lame foots, hunchbacks … Pox marked faces while we're on the quest to be accurate in all things. :D

Miniatures are advertisements.

Still, there have been a few figures all along who are built more nearly like the gals I see at work.
Grelber

Is it take TMP to work day yet?

Shouldn't the OP refer to 'busty adventuresses'?

Wargaming minis are not intended to be individually scrutinized, but to be seen en masse from some distance: distinguishing features *have* to be emphasized.
Now, this does NOT justify oversized heads, hands and feet. *good* sculpting and CAD/3D printing can be more selective.
Besides, female adventurers are largely unhistorical (as some 'hysterically historical' gamers like to repeat) so it's fantasy; and if fantasy does not bring a little… improvement on routine reality, where is its point?

Why can't an adventurer be a female? Seems like the word is not exclusive, whereas it's companion is.

It's all make bevieve. That's why no one roleplays being a penniless farmhand dieing of the black plague.

Ratbone, I was suggesting that, given subject/tone of the OP, it would not have been inappropriate to use the old fashioned, sexist term for such females. Clearly, my poor attempt at humour failed…

However, in 19th century usage, the term 'adventuress' was used to describe women for whom an ample bosom would definitely have been an advantage in their schemes!

Am I the only one who clicked this thread hoping for pictures?

Why was Raquel Welch chosen to play in '1 million years BC' and 'Fantastic Voyage'? Why was Angelina Jolie chosen to play Lara Croft? Far more a matter of pure aesthetics than 'naughtiness': in 'entertaining / escapism' movies and TV programs all women I know prefer to watch a beautiful actress than an ugly one.

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However, in 19th century usage, the term 'adventuress' was used to describe women for whom an ample bosom would definitely have been an advantage in their schemes!

Indeed I just discovered the (quite recent, seemingly) American usage of keeping 'hunter' male even for a 'female hunter'; as for 'adventuress', historically they were practically no 'female adventurer' in the 19th C., hence the 'derivative' meaning. As mores change vocabulary becomes more complicated, we have a general's wife, but nowadays that women *can* become generals, how to name them?

It is a bit overwrought, yes….

IMHO, rather sad.
The same goes for fantasy/sci-fi art these days: busty anime cat girls on every other page… Very immature and annoying.
Busty anime cat girls belong in other publications, or at least in bed…. assuming they have been declawed.

IMHO, rather sad.

A rather saddening comment IMHO.
I'm afraid you'll like neither this Landsknecht sniper:

nor this Van Helsing-like hunter:

Then De gustibus coloribusque not est disputandum

abdul666lw,

Yeah, that's what set me off on this thread

It's a lot easier to sculpt big knockers than it is to sculpt a pretty face. Besides, it's called "fantasy," isn't it?

It's also easier to see "large tracts of land" at 65 yards equivalent distance.

I think we are forgetting that a substantial proportion of these figures are aimed at the adolescent market, and to these male teen gamers, women with big boobs are the bread and butter of fantasy. I cannot be the only spotty youth who gazed at the Monster Manuals depiction of a succubus and thought, to the saving throw, just charm me, please!

hellinahandbasket.net/?p=2309

As for the reality, all the large breasted girls who fenced complained bitterly about their over-endoweded chests. Apparently, it severly affected balancing and recovery speed from lunges. So small busted women would be the logical female warrior physique, or big breasted ones, who are maimed or dead after the initial flurry of blows.

An Ancient Amazon reportedly scarred one breast before puberty to shooting bow unhindered (probably a hoax from a wrong etymology of 'A-mazon').
But if Fantasy cannot now and then offer better than 'The Real World™' where would be its point?

'male teen gamers,'? At 68, I feel the assimilation quite cheering

Well, not all are busty:

When did she get made into a mini?

And also in PotC Marine uniform, please, for us 'tricorne' fans!

But in any case, sculpted *as such* in 28mm would not everyone mistake her for a boy when on the gaming table?
[Or for an Elf -traditionally androgynous "'All Elves are faggots', any Dwarf will tell you; actually IMHO it's because half of them are adult female whose sexual development is blocked by the pheromones of reproductive females, a nice natural trick to control the population growth of a very long-lived species -I could even be 'Popperally correct' and make a prediction successfully submitted to attempted falsification -but I'm really drifting off-topic ]

WYSIWYG has some requirements

I paint a lot of female figures and they are all "well endowed". As a painter, I like them that way-the lines are beautiful and the proportions provide for lush curves.

I just had a Babe vs Babe contest-one female was elegant and the other had big hooters. The big hooters won by a mile.

I'm working on two females now. A Pirate Babe and a gorgeous Lady in Waiting sculpted by Tom Meier. Both are bodacious.

@ AnneOleary: blog, blog, blog?

@abdul666lw Yes, I have a blog and here's why. My husband is a cripple who requires constant care by me. This leaves me unable to participate in gaming or attending conferences. I have no contact with gamers or painters in the real world and that is difficult for me. It is only through my blog that I can feel a sense of community in this world. There are painters and gamers who interact with me via my blog. The kindness of those men makes my life more bearable.

@AnneOleary: you have all my sympathy. Would you care to give the url (if you wish post it on my own blog -link in my signature there link – in a comment I'll -if you want so- delete when read?)?

PS: maybe you'll find some points of interest in this thread: TMP link ?

My, oh my. What an interesting link abdul666lw. I thought Eureka's Teddy Bear soldiers were an interesting alternative to game with but those female soldiers are quite inspiring. Thanks.

AnneOleary, you will always find a welcome here. Regards

Blues 4

@abdul666lw- Thank you so much for your kindness. I had never heard of Lacepulp or Lacepunk before. I can see now that I'm going to have to go shopping!

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@ Blues For Baby and Me

I thought Eureka's Teddy Bear soldiers were an interesting alternative to game with but those female soldiers are quite inspiring

Since they are 'unhistorical', a golden opportunity to take the plunge and create your own Lace Wars Imagi-Nation
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@abdul666lw The "Highwayman" aiming his two pistols in moonlight at the Were-person?? Comes form which manufacturer? In 28mm?? Thanks!

Is it a prerequisite that a female adventurer figure has a large bosom?

No, not for me… But they must look like a woman, NOT like a male figure with a few added "bumps!" I have some of the original "Sandra" figures. They are on the "outer edge of the envelope" of being "just feminine enough" without being a) "over the top" or b) looking like effeminate male figures. I suppose its the "soft" faces and the thigh boots!!

However, in that respect, for example, I really wish that FOUNDRY had hired some specialist in on a limited contract to at LEAST do the female face-sculpts in their SYW and related ranges… Their women in those ranges give new meaning to "a face like a horse!!"

Returning to the Sandras for one more moment… I can't quite bring myself to paint any of the bikini-clad versions… yet anyway! And I have been wondering, speaking of that, why if they did that with the infantry-women, a bikini-clad version of the infantry command set and of the artillery set were never released??

he "Highwayman" aiming his two pistols in moonlight at the Were-person??

A Black Scorpion pirate link
(as all BS more 33mm than 28mm, I'm afraid)
The werewolf is, I believe, an old Rackham.

The Sandras look feminine when observed individually, but an *infantry* unit of them seen from 3 feet on the gaming table looks as masculine as any other unit of the army, and passes unnoticed

I don't think the 'bare navel' version is in bikini (more accurately in diaper)

but simply lacks shirt and waistcoat under the coat. Hot climate uniform for a colony on the coast of Afrodisia?

Despite periodical bursts of urging from the web community (every time the Sandras are mentioned and illustrated on a forum) the range is 'on hold' for years.
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@abdul666lw Ahh, BS, thanks! I have a few of their figures. A FEW will mix in fair-enough with Front Rank, Foundry, etc., as "Six Foot Tall" men and "Amazons." Would not want TOO many of them however, as they would give all the Five-foot-five and Five-foot-eight figures in my armies a "complex!"

"Diaper." Well, I guess. I prefer to think… "bikini." Has a more, umm, "sanitary" connotation! And after-all, the historio-archaeologists some years ago turned up that leather bikini-bottom in a Roman dig in London (London, IIRC), confirming mosaics and other Roman art suggesting such garments. Then too, didn't they recently discover 14th Cent. (or 15th?) brassieres in a castle in Germany? Or Austria… Or Lichtenstein? Turned the fashion and art history world on its ear, not to mention the garment industry historians, who have been assuring us for a century that the "bra" was "invented" in Paris on a Thursday in 1889?

At least for 'characters' and for irregular types (works less well with regular troops in close order) one can increase the thickness of the base of 1.5 – 2mm. Symmetrically by removing a mini from its original base and gluing / soldering it to a thin piece of metal its overall higth is decreased by 1.5 – 2mm. On the gaming table the figurines are seen more from above than from the side: if all bases are decorated the same their difference of thickness is barely noticeable.

More a corset than a bra (a forerunner of the wonderbra?) but a form lingerie appeared in Crete some 3700 years ago

Regarding the Kieare Knightley montage of pictures…..In teh one on the top right the arrow is the other side of the bow than in the bottom two. I wish they would get these details right.

"More a corset than a bra (a forerunner of the wonderbra?) but a form lingerie appeared in Crete some 3700 years ago"

It's a real shame that they weren't able to pull off the whole 'cat-bed for a hat' part of that costume restoration. That was the best part. Even I might not stare a ladies exposed bosom were she to have a cat sitting on top of her head.

The mental state goes from "Oh, heeey now!" to " Huh? I..the wah? !?? "