"FOG2 Book Version release? " Topic

Anyone know when we can order the book version?

They (on the Slitherine forum) said November. No more detail has been provided.

Martin

Late November seems to be the latest estimate. They have also implied that it will be very expensive.

I have not seen the "very expensive" implication.

I doubt it will be cheap … but we should wait and see.

Mike B

Oooops … I checked and they did indeed say that it would be very expensive. Sorry …

Mike B

More expensive than the first edition? Why?

Considering the changes are more v1.1 than v2 its annoying they didnt just put out a cheap PDF that advised what pages of the original book to change.

Anyway, I will pay 'very expensive' for the book version as the ebook is a non starter for me.

I take it you missed the storm of protest when they said they were not planning on a print run, and wanted to just go cheap download….

No idea about the economics of "Print on demand" but in the world of publishing the smaller the print run the more expensive the book. So POD seems like the smallest print run possible.

…so when can I send in my demand? Any word?

I had the misfortune of looking at a friend's version of the FoG e-reader. I've been using computers for 30 years and I needed a tutorial on how to turn pages and find the index. So I would say they have completely and utterly failed.

They should have released an ebook, not a proprietary reader.

I have seen the e-version and it is poorly implemented.

I am waiting for a printed version.

They have clearly stuffed up on this.

Had they made a printable PDF version and an e reader, I think most people would have been happy!

I understand the copywrite implications none of this make sense. Had they read WW&S article of 2nd editions they might of save a lot of time and money.

Latest information is that although it is POD they are doing large batches to keep the cost, to us, down. Price "comparable to the first edition" which is good news and available to pre-order this week they hope and in our hands in time for Christmas.

If a hardback version had been available at Warfare, I would have paid up on the spot.

POD, batch orders, I really don't know if I can be bothered.

V2 has been a total F U B A R from the start.

"POD, batch orders, I really don't know if I can be bothered."

You don't have to be bothered with POD batch orders. The book will be available directly from Slitherine. They will request the POD batch orders depending on demand. You place your order with Slitherine and then they send you your book. That's your only bother.

Now available for pre-order on the Slitherine site.

Yep I got a notice from both Slitherine and the owner that they are available in a limited run supple. The main print run availablity will not be available until late Jan 2013.

So, as a general question to anyone whose picked up the e-book book and has played around with v2 of the rules, are they a significant enough of a clean-up to warrant picking up the new book? I'm still looking around for a good set of rules to try some 2nd Punic Wars in 15mm.

The rules are bugfixed. All good stuff, but nothing really dynamic and new…

Its a better game but worth the £30.00 GBP for hardcopy? >:-|

Still bought it.. even after buying the crappy(unusuable) Ipad version .. more fool me! :-)

sad. I know some fellow gamers who have given up on FOG altogether bvecause of all this e-version, expensive book stuff. Went back to DBMM. Oh well :(

Just order my copy!!

Nothing wrong with going back to DBMM – that is also a very good set of rules.
FOG v2 mainly fixes a few loopholes which tournament players had been exploiting, and stops some rather gamey tactics which had evolved (such as the 'swarm' armies).

So if you don't play tournaments is it worth it? My Monthly allowance could be used on two other rule sets that are catching my eye atm!

I'm one of those guys who went back to DBMM 2. However, I will still buy FoG 2, as I like that game as well.

If you don't play tournaments, and you are happy with Fog v1, why buy the new version?
The only reasons to buy v2 would be:
1. You play tournaments, which will be using v2
2. You are unhappy with things in v1 which v2 fixes (over-powered skirmishers, swarm armies, Romans making mincemeat of Gauls too easily)
But FoG v1 is a perfectly good set of rules…..

3. You don't already have FOG v1 and want to play an excellent set of ancients rules.

So if you don't play tournaments is it worth it? My Monthly allowance could be used on two other rule sets that are catching my eye atm!

You could probably just agree within your group to play V1 with the main V2 changes (which you can find a list of on the Slitherine forum). Obviously you won't have the exact wording, but for most of the changes that won't matter. For example :
Elephants get three dice at impact
Armoured knights move 5MU
Can both be very easily pencilled into your rules and implemented.

sad. I know some fellow gamers who have given up on FOG altogether bvecause of all this e-version, expensive book stuff. Went back to DBMM.

Seems a rather silly thing to do if they were enjoying playing Fog v1.