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kmahony11128 Oct 2012 6:44 p.m. PST

Hi all

I'm thinking very strongly about building a 15mm Ottoman Turk army for the Napoleonic period again as it was always one of my favourite armies and I have a 28mm FOGA army already. I used to have a 15mm Napoleonic army but it was a mix of figures and periods so I'd like something more Napoleonic this time.

I am planning a European army and was wondering if anyone can help with some questions.

Has the Battle Honours 15mm Ottoman range vanished?

How well does these manufacturers work together in terms size and style?
AB, Old Glory, Vexillia (old One tree figs), Minifigs and Fire and Sword range from Wargame.pl (http://www.wargamer.pl/index.php?catId=1383)

Is there any of the Old Glory range I should avoid? I know they quite often have a few bad packs in each range :-)

Who makes a anything suitable for Suvarileri, Sipahi Oglan, and Silahtar? Does anyone know what the OG Suvarileri Guards figures are, or does anyone have any pictures?

Cheers
Kieran

Personal logo Black Hat Miniatures Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Oct 2012 2:08 a.m. PST

If you are looking at AB, then we have some similar size figures in our 18mm Napoleon in Egypt range for the Ottomans.

Mike

blackhat.co.uk

Personal logo vexillia Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Oct 2012 3:08 a.m. PST

I'm thinking very strongly about building a 15mm Ottoman Turk army for the Napoleonic period again as it was always one of my favourite armies

You might like to know there's a sample pack available.

How well does these manufacturers work together in terms size and style? AB, Old Glory, Vexillia (old One tree figs) ..

The Vexillia range is a definite 18 mm so won't match with true 15 ranges but should be close to AB.

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Emilio29 Oct 2012 8:30 a.m. PST

Alain Touller. Small 15mm figurines, more its horses, but very nice, and spot on for the period:

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My mamelukes:

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kmahony11129 Oct 2012 1:01 p.m. PST

Thanks Blackhat. I saw you figures and they look lovely but I dont know if they are suitable for a European army.

Vexillia, thanks for the info and I'll be ordering some figures off you soon.

Emillo, I saw the Alain Touller but they sound like they dont mix well with other brands except maybve Minifugs or Essex?

Can anyone comment on the size of the OG figures?

I'll probably use them to bulk out my army.

Cheers
Kieran

BrettPT29 Oct 2012 4:43 p.m. PST

Hi Kieran

Brett here from North Shore club. I can see from your queries that you are looking at a FoGN Turkish army! A fun choice, although I fear it will be a difficult army to do well with against good opponents …

Still, hasn't stopped me as I'm making Ottomans as well.

Generally I put a lot of time into paintjobs (I know your stuff is lovely so assume you do the same) and so have gone the prettiest, rather than the cheapest, figure options,

Basically this means AB, and Old Glory form their seven years war range (see link The OG horses are a little bigger than the AB ones, you can buy AB horses separately and I have done this and mounted all the cavalry on AB horses (both AB and OG have saddles molded onto the rider).

The best reference source is William Johnson "The Crescent Among the Eagles" which can be purchased through Nafziger.

The figures I am using:

Janissaries: AB all the way. Gorgeous figure range in multiple poses. They don't have a standard bearer in the mix but there are figures that can be easily converted to a standard bearer. They also are missing a kettle drummer, however I have mixed in one from Vexillia which – although not nearly the same quality as AB -are a good size match and, with only a single drummer figure in a unit, this is fine.

Nizam-i-cedit: Old Glory. These are ok-ish figures, but the best available for Nizami. You can get a large or small unit out of each OG bag.

Bostanci: Nothing available that I have found. AB Janissaires with Green-stuffed hats (or Old Glory Nizami heads) grafted on seems the best option.

Sekhans etc: Again, AB, their ‘Albanian light infantry' are beautiful, multi-posed figures. You can also mix in a few stray ‘serressaner scouts/bandits from the AB Austrians 1792-98 range as well.

Fellahin: More Difficult. European fellahin are simply local peasants, who joined the army for a period of time at their leisure. You could go with more simply painted AB sekhans, painted with a lot of off-white for Greek/Balkan fellahin, or field ‘anatolian' fellahin – a sundry Turkish looking fellow with a turban. I haven't decided myself which way to go with these yet.

Suvaleirii: Old Glory make a good Suvalieri. Figure. You need a minimum of 18 figures so (somewhat annoyingly) need to by 2 OG packs for these.

Silhatar & Sipahi oglans: Johnson describes these two regiments as "armoured lance-armed heavy cavalry". The FoGN authors have clearly used Johnson as their principal reference and have made them Shock cavalry. The best figures I have been able to find for these are from an Italian manufacturer : Legio-heroica. Their ‘TUR03' Qapikulu on un-barded horses are nice, and fit the bill for the Shock cavalry. They work in ok size-wise with AB & OG (the legio infantry on the other hand look to small alongside the others). These figures are a mailed lancer, with helmet and a shirt covering most of the mail. Shields are included separately so you can leave them off.

Sipahi Old glory sipahi work fine for these chaps.

Dellhi Again, the OG figures are good.

Yoraks: These are great points value – cheap, cavalry units. Buy them small, you only need 8 figures per unit. Use them as rear/flanks supports for better cavalry, to hover and reduce enemy skirmish fire, or to ‘cossack' their way around enemy flanks. AB mamluks are the best figures for these IMO.

Mamluks Can't go past AB. However note that the AB figures do not have lances, so if fielding the Guard Mamluks from Constantinople, (there were 3 regiments of these, and they weren't really ‘true' mamluks) you should convert them to lances, or – as I do- use OG sipahis for the Guard LC.

Artillery: Old Glory are good. One bag will give you 3 medium guns and some huge pieces for immobile artillery if you want to field these. Plenty of gunners as well.

As an alternate, you could use AB French 6 pdrs for the medium artillery as they were French supplied. Marmont supplied a some of these to the Turks from Dalmatia. You would need to find some crew through (I might have a handful of extras I could give you if you go this way). You could use French artillery limbers for the medium unit(s), the heavies don't have limbers (they have fortifications instead).

Command: Again the OG pack of Officers is the basis. A couple of figures from legio would mix in well, and the OG renaissance range has a ottoman command pack that includes a couple of tents, a reclining sultan and some foot officers, some serving girls, and some fine looking Guard Janissaries (Solaks) with very long plumes, a halberdy looking spear, and tigerskin pelisses thrown over their backs – all perfect for your line of communication marker (the FoGN version of a baggage camp).

I will be at Nth Shore club on 11th November, happy to bring along my box of Turkish toys and copies of research I have done if you want to pop over and take a look.

Cheers
Brett

herzogbrian30 Oct 2012 11:20 a.m. PST

You may want to look at Falcon 15s, they have an extensive Ottoman range that they are still expanding.

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Emilio04 Nov 2012 8:48 p.m. PST

kmahony111, Touller turks are very nice, but small figurines. The horses are ponies, and the infantry may only mix with Essex. Sorry I can't show you more pics.

Emilio04 Nov 2012 9:01 p.m. PST

You can find painted Touller figurines pics in this blog:
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Dellis and janissaires at least.

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