"Huge new Tudor range over at The Assault Group!" Topic

Hi, I just saw this news over at the facebook page of TAG! Not sure i I has been posted yet but here it is!

"On Facebook, Pete from The Assault group outlined the plan for the above. Here is the list and his thoughts: "OK, this is the way that it is rolling with the Tudors. Nick is working on the range now… We plan a full range of English and French minis, which will be ready for release in March or April or 2013. We plan to use Kick starter to promote the range, as present we haven't seen a full range of wargames minis promoted in this way so hopefully we can spark peoples interest by using the KS as well as reach people who we wouldn't normally get to with our normal releases. When we get to announcing the Kick starter properly we will have the English minis done and the French minis almost complete, so we will be able to deliver on these swiftly, no waiting around lick some KS's I could mention, but we want the KS crowd to push us into adding more nations for this mid-century period, so the stretch goals will include Germans, Scot and Irish, as well as a few other little treats I have up my sleeve."

"REN400 HenryVIII
REN401 General (to be decided)
REN402 Tudor Nobles with lances
REN403 Tudor Noble Command
REN404 Tudor Nobles with hand weapons
REN405 Staves/Borderers with swords
REN406 Staves/Borderers with lances
REN407 Staves/Borderers with pistols
REN408 Staves/Borderers with fire-arms
REN409 Stave/Borderer command
REN410 English infantry in uniform coats with pike/bill upright
REN411 English infantry in uniform coats with pike/bill at 80
REN412 English infantry in uniform coats with pike/bill at 60
REN413 English infantry in uniform coats with pike/bill at 45
REN414 English infantry in uniform coats firing longbows
REN415 English infantry in uniform coats loading longbows
REN416 English infantry in uniform coats marching with longbows
REN417 English infantry in uniform coats standing with longbows
REN418 English infantry in uniform coats firing caliver
REN419 English infantry in uniform coats loading caliver
REN420 English infantry in uniform coats marching with caliver
REN421 English infantry in uniform coats standing with caliver
REN422 English infantry Command in Uniform coats standing
REN423 English infantry Command in Uniform coats advancing
REN424 English militia/Border infantry with bill upright
REN425 English militia/Border infantry with bill at 80
REN426 English militia/Border infantry with bill at 60
REN427 English militia/Border infantry with bill at 45
REN428 English militia/Border infantry firing longbow
REN429 English militia/Border infantry loading longbow
REN430 English militia/Border infantry marching with longbow
REN431 English militia/Border infantry standing with longbow
REN432 English militia/Border Command standing
REN433 English militia/Border Command advancing
REN434 Shrympe (small ordinance piece)
REN435 Heavy Ordinance piece
REN436 English gun crew
REN437 Francis I
REN438 French General (to be decided)
REN439 French Gendarmes with lance upright
REN440 French Gendarme Command
REN441 French Gendarmes with lance couched
REN442 French Gendarmes with side arms
REN443 French Argoulets firing arquebus
REN444 French Argoulet command
REN445 French Argoulets loading arquebus
REN446 French foot with pike upright
REN447 French foot with pike at 80
REN448 French foot with pike at 60
REN449 French foot with pike at 45
REN450 French Aventuriers firing arquebus
REN451 French Aventuriers loading arquebus
REN452 French Aventuriers marching with arquebus
REN453 French Aventuriers standing with arquebus
REN454 French Aventurier Command standing
REN455 French Aventurier Command advancing
REN456 Swiss pikemen with pike upright
REN457 Swiss pikemen with pike at 80
REN458 Swiss pikemen with pike at 60
REN459 Swiss pikemen with pike at 45
REN460 Swiss heavy infantry command
REN461 Swiss arquebusiers firing
REN462 Swiss arquebusiers loading
REN463 Swiss arquebusiers advancing
REN464 Swiss arquebusiers standing
REN465 Swiss light infantry command
REN466 French artillery crew"

Interested in the stretch goals? inlcuding Scots and Germans?

Here's more information on my blog:

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Not my period, but great job and I hope it goes well for you. If you make those greens you're showing on this page available as a small reward, I'll buy that just because.

Very cool idea.

This could work. Worth looking at creating unit lists for FOG-R at a discount price.

Good luck.

The Colonel

Very tempting …

Hi, Just to make clear this is not my kickstarter but one from The Assault Group whcih will probably soon appear.

But as said sweet and impressing range without the stretch goals and really wonderful if they could reach the strech goals!

Cheers

Nice looking figures and the 1540s period not covered this thoroughly.
Am confused on kickstarter – so if I were to invest £250.00 GBP would I get this back if the project goes ahead, or is it 'lost funds' paid in order for the project to get going?
Simon.

I would rather have all these French for the 1520 campaigns in Italy, or for the English campaigns in France. I have no more use for the 1540 then a WW2 player for WW1 minis. On the other hand I realize that the market for the "glorious" times of Henricus Octavius is a bit larger – at least for French and English troops.

Here is just hoping they do not abandon the Italian theatre after the Italians have been released. But all the best to this Tudor enterprise!

Hi,

@Painterman, no idea of how the kickstarter will evntaully work but we can only hope we can get some cheap miniatures.

I think when they don't meet their goal, you get a refund of your goods and when the goals are met you get your rewards according to your pledge level. Can be wrong so help is welcome.

If a kickstarter does not reach its level, the money will not be collected. Kickstarter uses Amazon payment, and you authorize them to take the money when the kickstarter ENDS. At that time it will be deducted, not before, and not if the criteria is not met.

You will then (hopefully) get the promised rewards for your pledge. If you have pledged money without a reward, consider this a gift or a lesson for you. Usually you select what you want at the time of the pledge.

From comparative kickstarters I would assume some lower reward levels where you can pick a number of packs, and some larger ones with collections or even armies.

As its a kickstarter, some packs might not be available unless stretch goals for the total sum are reached.
I am certainly looking forward to how this comes out.

Does it really make sense to make the Germans, Irish and Scots as stretch goals for the English/French, rather than projects of their own? I have a feeling that this would put off those potential customers who would only want eg. an Irish army, but not an English army – since there is not an option to back up just the Irish.

I think it would make more sense to split off the Germans, Irish and Scottish ranges into separate projects, so that people wanting a specific one of those could back up that specific subject. This would also provide information about which of them are the most popular amongst the backers.

Possible stretch goals for each range could then include a few extra packs of models for a given range, such as extra command pack, historical personalities, camp followers, wagons or other nice-to-have items.

Germans of the 1540ies would certainly bring up the possibility for gaming the wars of religion (the German Schmalkaldic war preceded the French one) and have some uses for both the Spanish expeditions to Northern Africa and late Italian campaigns. These just do not fit under "Tudor" this way :-)

Griefbringer is correct – offering army packs for different forces and then stretch goals for each army pack, like general, camp follower, medic (err: quack), … if the total sum exceeds a sufficient total would probably work out.

BTW: Here are their lists for German, Scottish and Irish "stretch goals":
REN467 German General (to be decided)
REN468 German General (to be decided)
REN469 German/Burgundian Gendarmes with lance
REN470 German/Burgundian Gendarme Command
REN471 German/Burgundian Gendarmes with side arms
REN472 German Nobles with lances
REN473 German Nobles with hand weapons
REN474 Early Reiter with boar-spears
REN475 Early Reiter Command
REN476 Early Reiter with pistols
REN477 Berittene Hakenbuchsen-schutzen (with arquebus)
REN478 Landsknecht pikemen with pikes upright
REN479 Landsknecht pikemen with pikes at 80
REN480 Landsknecht pikemen with pikes at 60
REN481 Landsknecht pikemen with pikes at 45
REN482 Landsknecht swordsmen
REN483 Landsknecht heavy infantry Command
REN484 Landsknechts firing arquebus
REN485 Landsknechts loading arquebus
REN486 Landsknechts marching with arquebus
REN487 Landsknechts standing with arquebus
REN488 Landsknecht light infantry Command
REN489 German city-militia pikemen with pike upright
REN490 German city-militia pikemen with pike at 80
REN491 German city-militia pikemen with pike at 60
REN492 German city-militia pikemen with pike at 45
REN493 German heavy infantry Command
REN494 German city-militia firing arquebus
REN495 German city-militia loading arquebus
REN496 German light infantry Command
REN497 German artillery crew

Stretch Goal 4
REN498 Scottish General (to be decided)
REN499 Scottish General (to be decided)
REN500 Lowland pikemen with pikes upright
REN501 Lowland pikemen with pikes at 80
REN502 Lowland pikemen with pikes at 60
REN503 Lowland pikemen with pikes at 45
REN504 Lowland heavy infantry Command
REN505 Lowlander firing arquebus
REN506 Lowlander standing with arquebus
REN507 Lowland light infantry Command
REN508 Highlanders attacking with melee weapons
REN509 Highlanders advancing with melee weapons
REN510 Highlanders firing bows
REN511 Highlanders advancing with bows
REN512 Highlanders firing arquebus
REN513 Highlanders advancing with arquebus
REN514 Highland infantry Command attacking
REN515 Highland infantry Command standing
REN516 Scottish gun crew

Stretch Goal 5
REN517 Irish General (to be decided)
REN518 Irish General (to be decided)
REN519 Irish Horse with lances
REN520 Irish Horse Command
REN521 Irish Horse with javelins
REN522 Irish Horse with hand weapons
REN523 Kern standing with spear
REN524 Kern throwing javelins
REN525 Kerns advancing with spears
REN526 Kerns with hand weapons
REN527 Kerns firing arquebus
REN528 Kerns standing with arquebus
REN529 Kern Command advancing
REN530 Kern Command standing
REN531 Galloglaich with axe, standing
REN532 Galloglaich with axe, advancing
REN533 Galloglaich with axe, attacking
REN534 Galloglaich with hand weapons
REN535 Galloglaich command standing
REN536 Galloglaich command advancing"

The alternative would be different Kickstarters, with production only starting if there is sufficient demand per army – I have no idea on the cost of a single Kickstarter, but I think I would prefer five small ones with a lower target – one per army to one "lump" kickstarter where the demand for some aspects cannot be sufficiently seen.

Doing it per small army would also offer the option to use it for the French or Maximilian armies of the Italian war first, to finish this era – and later for Ottomans, Mamluks, Hungarians and other Eastern forces… (sorry, dreaming again).

Interesting times for TAG, and the Crowdfunding certainly enabled projects that would be dormant otherwise.

I wouldlove to see first the French of the early Italaian wars

It actually does make sense gents. As a former successful kickstarter, I've got a different perspective.

Bundling them together will let you use any over-funding for the next phase of the project. ATTENTION all of the following numbers are fictitious!!

Let's say you need 10K to make the French and English. Cool, you reach that and some folks continue to fund the project and you make it to 14K. If you only need 5K to create the Irish, you can use that overflow to start the project and then you only need 1K of support to make the Irish happen.

You can then catch some folks that want English and Irish, English or just Irish in your net. A separate Irish Kickstarter might not make it.

In the end, Kickstarters are about creating cool stuff and not always about making money. So by combining them you can possibly create more than might be financially viable otherwise.

Unfortunately, the kick starter has failed.