155th NYVI | 07 Oct 2012 7:16 p.m. PST |
Ok so I have been painting old glory 15mm for the past 2 and half years. I know have 9 union corps, 2 union cavalary corps, and an artillery reserve of 24 stands. Also there are 5 confederate corps, 1 cavalery corps, and 14 extra stands of artillery. They are based of brigade level fire and fury, with the unit order make ups coming from them as well. So know that my troops are painted and I have bought a lot of terrain. I need a scenario, Gettysburg is to small. So either a bigger ACW battle or a way of making up a scenario. Any advice? I have a table that's 16 x 8. Any help would be very helpful |
DisasterWargamer | 07 Oct 2012 7:43 p.m. PST |
Gettysburg was one of the largest in terms of troops – a quick web search listed the following as the largest number of troops engaged. The Seven Days, Virginia 1862 196,000 Chancellorsville, Virginia 1863 195,000 Fredericksburg, Virginia 1862 190,000 Cold harbor, Virginia 1864 175,000 Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 1863 170,000 Since Brigade Fire and Fury is based on a 1-150 scale – easiest suggestion would be to take your scale down to 1-50 – and either play using the Regimental Fire and Fury rules – or just continue with the brigade ones at a 1-50 scale. With the table you have – you should be able to represent the full scale of many of the battles where units were spread out – such as Perryville. I could also see doing one of my favorites Cross Keys/Port Republic – Jackson over 2 days. Good luck |
79thPA | 07 Oct 2012 8:06 p.m. PST |
I don't think I have ever heard anyone say that Gettysburg is too small to game in miniature. Didn't this question occur to you in the 2.5 years you were painting nine Union corps plus support? There are plenty of great battle to fight without worrying about putting as many troops as possible on the table at once. |
Happy Little Trees | 07 Oct 2012 8:10 p.m. PST |
Perhaps fight Gettysburg and the siege of Vicksburg at the same time? |
HistoryPhD | 07 Oct 2012 8:40 p.m. PST |
Perhaps fight a campaign with realistic casualty reductions as you go along? |
79thPA | 07 Oct 2012 8:53 p.m. PST |
^^^I was also thinking that he has enough for a good campaign game. |
Rudi the german | 07 Oct 2012 9:30 p.m. PST |
Welcome to the small circle of megalomaniac collections. That is a good basis to start. Now paint some more and you can play v+b acw campaign. link
This is the only campaign rules were you can get 20+ corps battles
I played this type of battles with this campaign system 20 years Ago and it is still a highlight of my hobby carrer. Have Fun and congrats on your point of views
. Ps: if acw is bcoming to Tiny start FPW in 25mm like me :))))) |
6sided | 08 Oct 2012 4:03 a.m. PST |
Not sure the Rebs ever fielded 5 corps in a battle? Jaz 6sided.net – start a blog using our software in minutes |
The G Dog | 08 Oct 2012 5:38 a.m. PST |
What Rudi said! The Volley and Bayonet system can generate huge battles if you try. Reinforcements marching in from the different points of the compass. |
Spreewaldgurken | 08 Oct 2012 5:58 a.m. PST |
"Not sure the Rebs ever fielded 5 corps in a battle?" Chickamauga would be the closest, I guess? |
Rudi the german | 08 Oct 2012 5:58 a.m. PST |
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Landorl | 08 Oct 2012 6:26 a.m. PST |
The challenge is building a table that is big enough for that size battle, but still small enough that you can move the figures! |
cwbuff | 08 Oct 2012 6:39 a.m. PST |
How many players do you anticipate in this monster game? |
Cleburne1863 | 08 Oct 2012 7:30 a.m. PST |
"Not sure the Rebs ever fielded 5 corps in a battle?" 'Chickamauga would be the closest, I guess?'" Technically true, but some of those corps were only as large as some of the ANVs divisions. Walker's Reserve Corps was only 6,313 Present for Duty. Hood's Corps was only 8,446 Present for Duty (the five brigades that showed up from Virginia in time plus Bushrod Johnson's provisional division). Even D. H. Hill's Corps was only 9,526 Present for Duty. |
rmcaras | 08 Oct 2012 8:51 a.m. PST |
bizarre. not a fan of the actual history? |
donlowry | 08 Oct 2012 10:07 a.m. PST |
A what-if for you: What if, in the spring of '65, Lee had given Grant the slip and joined up with Joe Johnston in NC, with Grant on his trail? Grant with most of the AoP and AoJ, plus Sheridan's cavalry on the north; Sherman with 6 corps plus Kilpatrick's cavalry on the south; Lee with the equivalent of 4 small corps plus Fitz Lee's cavalry and Johnston with the remnants of the AoT, Hardee's force from SC and Bragg's from NC plus Hampton's and Wheeler's cavalry -- all in the center. |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 08 Oct 2012 10:57 a.m. PST |
how do you reach the middle of an eight foot table? Mike |
MajorB | 08 Oct 2012 11:55 a.m. PST |
how do you reach the middle of an eight foot table? Very long arms
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Last Hussar | 08 Oct 2012 12:11 p.m. PST |
They are based for brigade level Fire and Fury a 16' x 8' table Gettysburg is too small Hold on, the Gettysburg scenario in the back of F&F is 560ish infantry stands on a 14x6 (with L shape at the north, so 7 ft there) table. Think you just need to accept 1) you will have to stick to the Gettysburgs of this world. 2) May be time to get some fresh air. |
155th NYVI | 08 Oct 2012 12:17 p.m. PST |
Well the table is on rollers and is in four sections so you can either move one section to the side for a bit move your fig's the slide table back. As far as 5 confederate corps I used the three from Gettysburg and the two from out west. I had though that maybe do a Gettysburg what if scenario, where the 9th and 7th corps join Meade, and when the army of the tennessee comes east? Would it be cool to see Patrick clebourne take on Hancock's first corps? Irish vs Irish? Just a though? I did think about a campaign game but I really want to see all the troops out there at once. |
155th NYVI | 08 Oct 2012 12:23 p.m. PST |
No time for fresh air, I still have to do all my special units? I want a full strength heavy artillery division, a still need a colored corps, and then I need to paint all my seige guns. And I can add another 12ft to the table if I need room. |
155th NYVI | 08 Oct 2012 12:23 p.m. PST |
Oh and I hate auto correct on my iPad |
Frederick | 08 Oct 2012 1:21 p.m. PST |
Sounds like a campaign game to me We have run the Volley & Bayonet ACW campaign a couple of times – be pleased to share our rules mods you with you if you want to send a PM We did face the interesting issue that our campaign battles often had more Confederate corps than ever took to the field together in the actual ACW |
ancientsgamer | 08 Oct 2012 1:52 p.m. PST |
You use billiard cue bridges to push your troops to the middle of an 8 foot table silly ;-) A "what" if is called for here. Say an army of the East and West encounter their enemies and happen to fight adjacent battles at the same time? You can do what you want, they are your toys. |
HistoryPhD | 08 Oct 2012 2:36 p.m. PST |
I use a croupier stick if the table is wider than I can reach to the middle of |
Happy Little Trees | 10 Oct 2012 8:39 p.m. PST |
how do you reach the middle of an eight foot table? Ever see the Mission Impossible movie scene in the computer room? |
afilter | 30 Nov 2012 10:06 a.m. PST |
Take it down to Regimental level and keep painting
.:) |
Maxshadow | 02 Dec 2012 7:11 p.m. PST |
Put them on the table and have at them!! |
uglyfatbloke | 24 Jan 2013 8:28 a.m. PST |
Wife and I play sizeable actions – 1000+ figures (28mm) on each side, 20 foot by 5 foot table (ish) and we use a brutal DBA system to get result in the course of a day, but we'd be interested in hearing about alternative rule systems that would do the business for us
only 2 players (mostly) so they'd have to be quick and very simple. |
T J Crockett | 24 Jan 2013 9:09 a.m. PST |
One Thousand 28mm figures per side? Wow. |
EJNashIII | 26 Jan 2013 5:41 p.m. PST |
So,155th, how many men do you actually have? I have some 4,000 figures in 10mm. I haven't found a battle I cannot do. I just change the number of men each stand represents to suit the engagement modeled and maybe modify the ground scale (which rarely, in any rules, matches figure scale, anyway). Almost All rules are flexible enough if you have some standard that applies to both sides equally. I also just think people are being silly when they say a stand of 20 figures has to equal 150 men or some other nonsense. |
uglyfatbloke | 31 Jan 2013 8:40 a.m. PST |
Yup, give or take, 1000 figures a side plus cavalry and artillery, but we are also playing about with smaller armies using Black Powder. Our figures are on large (6x2 inch) bases, so we 'll use one base for an ordinary-sized unit and two for a large one and probably not bother with vey small units at all. |
firstvarty1979 | 31 Jan 2013 10:14 a.m. PST |
Friend and I use modified Brother Against Brother for very large games using 28mm figures. We're not at 2000 figures yet, but I'm sure we're over 1000 now. We have around 10-12 players for our games though, and they last around 4 hours. Don't know how that would work with just 2 players
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155th NYVI | 15 Feb 2013 7:57 p.m. PST |
Just counted on the union side almost 2500, and confederate about 1900. I have been working on this project for about 2 years now. I want to be around 5000 or so. So I keep painting little bit at a time. |
Canuckistan Commander | 16 Feb 2013 8:11 a.m. PST |
Y'all are quite mad, I stopped my ACW collection at 5 Unions Corps and 3 Confed Corps plus a cav corps each
.. quite mad everyone of you. |
Bandit | 19 Feb 2013 9:28 a.m. PST |
Just counted on the union side almost 2500, and confederate about 1900. I have been working on this project for about 2 years now. I want to be around 5000 or so. So I keep painting little bit at a time. Yeah, that will solve all your problems. Cheers, The Bandit |
donlowry | 19 Feb 2013 11:43 a.m. PST |
Ever hear of the Winchester House in California? (San Jose, or thereabouts, IIRC.) The lady who inherited the Winchester Rifle fortune kept adding rooms to her house because she believed that she would live as long as the house kept expanding. So maybe as long as your armies keep expanding you'll keep going as well. |
155th NYVI | 11 Mar 2013 5:27 p.m. PST |
I hope your right, I just had my second child in under a year. Luckily they both sleep thru the night and my wife is exhausted by 7:30 or so. Each night I try to get in at least 2hrs of painting in. So I can keep going along. |
Mac1638 | 04 Oct 2013 5:25 a.m. PST |
We have found at our club Gettysburg is to large for F&F,there is to much down time between turns (with alternate moves),and we do like big games at the club!We have happily done all the scenario in both book some more than once and the only one we have not been happy with is Gettysburg 2nd and 3rd Days in the rule book. |
uglyfatbloke | 09 Oct 2013 8:59 a.m. PST |
We found the dame thing, but we are going to run an experiment with activation for our brutal DBA-style games. We'll keep you posted if it's a success. |