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Dropzonetoe Fezian22 Sep 2012 9:56 a.m. PST

I decided to try repainting one of my halo miniatures I got with my banshee and it came out much better than I expected.

While I originally painted it like the colors of the game… well as I remembered them. I think I will need to repaint it red to match my other aliens.

I didn't undercoat or use any special anything just painted right on it like I would with clix stuff. I did reposition the arm so it wasn't shooting the sky by clipping it and pinning/superglue. I don't know how it will hold up but we'll see I suppose.

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Wolfprophet22 Sep 2012 10:09 a.m. PST

Is pretty decent. Got a couple sitting in front of me, but I haven't quite been sure what to do with mine. I think they fit with other 15s pretty well as large aliens.

A note of Halo fluff though, while that is pretty much the proper color of the Minor's armor ( link ), the armour itself is that worn by their special forces in a vaccuum environment. ( link )

I just hope they release packs of just the figures at some point. I'd love to have a ton of Grunts.

Scorpio22 Sep 2012 11:26 a.m. PST

…are your Felids painted in Battlecat's colors?

Dropzonetoe Fezian22 Sep 2012 12:53 p.m. PST

Yes they are! grin

God, I would buy the crap out of 15mm grunts!
I used to play lots of Halo and Halo 2 but I never paid that much attention to the armor colors or that.

Wolfprophet22 Sep 2012 5:05 p.m. PST

A shame Dropzone! The colors matter in a sense because they determine rank. Kill the red Elites and everyone scatters for a minute because you just blew away the squad leader. Lol. Blue elites are more along the lines of Corporals/assistant squad leaders/Fireteam leaders, Grunts are of course…..privates. And have lower morale than Imperial Guardsmen! Lol.

John Leahy Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Sep 2012 6:45 p.m. PST

Hey Wolfprophet. Would you care to give a a general color guide or direct me to where one is? I own a bunch of 28mm Halo figs but aren't sure of how their organization o0r colors work.

Thanks,

John

Wolfprophet22 Sep 2012 8:48 p.m. PST

Would love to John.

halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sangheili

That link will help for the Sangheili, who can be the most confusing to deal with as they are the primary militant species in the Covenant and prior to the Unggoy Rebellion, were the only armed species. (If you can believe it, at one point Grunts were not even armed. grin but after the rebellion, they proved themselves competent enough to be integrated into the military.)

Brutes, it's more "Who's got the fanciest head piece."
but they do follow the Sangheili example for the most part. Link here should help: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Jiralhanae

Grunts are easy. Orange combat harness indicates lowest rank(Minors), Red (Majors) for them is something like a Private First Class (so game wise I'd treat them the same)Green indicates a weapons specialist, the grunts who carry around the anti-tank weapons like Fuel Rod Guns. White armour, sometimes with a white tabard over the chest, indicates Deacons, who perform exactly as their title implies. They give religious guidance to other grunts, and so can be used as combat leaders, but they're still just a religious representative, not a tactician and even then, only members of their flock are likely to take orders from them. Not all Unggoy are true believers, not because they're cynical on the subject or anything…. many just have IQs lower than a brain damaged squirrel and can barely grasp the concept of "This end toward enemy." when handling their own weapons.

Jackals themselves don't seem to show rank through armor colour, probably unnecessary as they mostly act as scouts and harassment units. Supposedly, this is done through their shield color though, but in gaming terms, it will be pretty meaningless.

Hunters are the easiest. They have no rank, they are just a bonded pair. One worm colony split between two armoured bodies which they control by structuring themselves into something of a musculature. But, the trick there is….there should always be at least two. There don't seem to be any colonies too small to fit across two sets of armour, but there are some big enough to fit across 3 or even 4 sets.

Yan'me/bugs are simple enough as well. Green for their lower rank, red for the next one up. That was done for the video games though, in a table top game I'd treat them all the same. (Or if you use Khurasan's Vespulids to represent them, the larger guys in each pack can be the "Majors" while the others are the "Minors")

Slick blue-black armour is universally a sign of veteran and special operations units in which ONLY sangheili and Unggoy may be inducted into. Brutes are considered too stupid to be special operations and jackals are considered too untrustworthy. Occasionally, they will have Hunters with them if needed. Yan'me/Bugs are also barred from it as they are not even intentionally a combat race. Their primary duty was ship maintenance for Brutes as they were deemed too stupid to be allowed full access to their own ship's weapons, let alone given Huragok/Engineers to maintain their vessels.

Now, as for their structure…

They refer to their fireteam level units as "Files"

On average, a File will consist of four Unggoy Minors, one Major and be led by either a Sangheili Minor or a Major.
The second organizational possibility for this is substituting the five unggoy for four Kigyar.
A third version is subbing out the Sangheili for Brutes.

The next organization up is the "Lance." which consists of 2-3 (In some cases, I've heard up to four) Files. Not all files need be the same organization, except that it will be led by either Sangheili or Brute, but the two will not mingle or co-exist in a battlefield situation, nor even will be serving in the same fleet, let alone the same combat unit. The Covenant keeps a bit of Segregation where it needs to.

So, this means that a "squad" for them will consist of around 12-24 fighters, of which only 2-4 will be actual soldiers. The rest will be conscripts and only one will positively have combat experience.

There isn't a lot of detail past that but the next unit up seems to be a Cohort, probably consisting of 2-3 Lances, then a Legion consisting of several Cohorts.

Best I can tell too, Sangheili in charge of a cohort have quite a bit of knock around power and can request most anything they need from tanks to air support and specialist units like Hunters/Mgalekolo. I'm not entirely sure about how an HQ section of any sort is organized. Mostly seems to be a lone Zealot(Gold Armour) or Ultra(White). Once you get above the red armoured Majors, their colors mean less and less and it becomes more about who's who, which individual commands the most respect. Brutes do that as well, but have a pack mentality instead of an honor code to follow.

For wargaming purposes, I don't imagine giving a commander a pair of bodyguards, probably Majors, would be a stretch since Sangheili society has a heavy reliance on friendships and clans and Brutes have a heavy reliance on family.

Looking back, that was quite a long winded explanation with links, but hopefully it's a help to John and anyone else who may be interested in figuring that out.

Oh, and so far as armour and their anti-grav bikes go…. Those seem to be issued out piecemeal to the units as needed but are attached to squadrons. Possibly a means of keeping tactical flexibility while maintaining logistical ease as the Covenant rely on dropships as a means of very mobile warfare like the U.S. did in the 1960s, but they do appear to have dedicated Cavalry, Mechanized and Ground Attack Aircraft squadrons, but these may not all have dedicated personnel attached to them. The notable exception being aircraft and warships, which have dedicated pilots attached to them.

John Leahy Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Sep 2012 11:39 p.m. PST

Wow, this is great! thumbs up I really appreciate it. I have had the figs for a few years now but really don't play the video games so know little about the troop types. Now that can change!

Thanks again,

John

Redroom23 Sep 2012 8:59 a.m. PST

Your paint job is so much better than the original one and matches the game.

There have been a couple fluff art books for Halo that have some of the color schemes, but not as much of the great info Wolfprophet provided.

I wish there were more grunts than the 1 running the cannon from the bunker set (nice set btw). Hopefully better representation in the future sets.

Dropzonetoe Fezian24 Sep 2012 3:36 p.m. PST

Wow, I must have missed a lot in the games then ;)

I only have the one and it is already partially repainted to match my Felids so hopefully it looks alright in its new role.

Wolfprophet24 Sep 2012 7:19 p.m. PST

I forgot to add in that large section of information, there is another organization for the File and Lance. Fair warning, this is almost purely conjecture based on my own observations of the novels, comics and games with applied knowledge of military organizations and adjustments based on the known organizations of Covenant infantry units.

Special Operations typically seem to organize their Files in different ratios. 2-4 individuals, all Sangheili or 2-6 with a roughly 1:2 mix of Sangheili and Unggoy. Their Lances will still be made up of around 2-4 Files, but all individuals will be better armed than average and the Unggoy in question are not the same level of intellect as their kin. Proving themselves, they'll often be closer in skill to a modern day organized militia while the Sangheili they work with will be competent, hardened veterans.

In the games, when Spec Ops are encountered, they seem to work purely on an adhoc basis while in the novels and comics, they worked in units organized similar to that, except in Fall of Reach where the only mention was "Black armoured veterans" made up purely of around 20 or so unggoy who were then brutally cut down in an ambush. So, not all Spec Ops units may be organized the same, or their organization may vary depending on the pool of individuals to draw from when forming new Lances or replenishing ones that have taken losses.

It is also possible that it is permitted for combat veterans who have survived x-number of engagements, battles or campaigns to paint their armor black to signify their experience.

John Leahy Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Sep 2012 11:25 p.m. PST

Your info is really appreciated! I have clix and figs from the boardgame. I own over a 100 of both sides plus several vehicles. My hitch was knowing how to paint the Covenant forces and what their organizations would be. There is a CD in the boardgame which provides some background and general info. But not enough. Looks like I can now make this project come to life.

Thanks again WP!

John

Wolfprophet25 Sep 2012 10:15 a.m. PST

No problem John. I'm anal about such things myself. grin

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