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Personal logo vtsaogames Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2012 10:41 a.m. PST

I know the Prussians were using company columns, each a column of half platoons (4 lines deep).

But the French – were they deploying as complete battalions? Half-battalions? Did they fight by companies as the Prussians did?

Anyone out there know?

Personal logo Dale Hurtt Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2012 8:33 a.m. PST

Doesn't Boguslawski (Tactical Deductions … ) say something on this matter, or do you not trust his writing (given that he seems to be a propagandist of sorts)?

kustenjaeger17 Sep 2012 9:02 a.m. PST

Greetings

French formations were broadly developments of Napoleonic practice. Deployment in 1870 was often by half-battalion from what I've read. Under the Republic with larger companies there may have been more of a tendency to use companies. For 1870 read:

stratisc.org/Petain_tdm.html

See Part II and the example from Mars Le Tour – Vionville. One drawback is that it is in French :-( (I've got some rough ongoing translation).

This is a paper written by Petain in 1911.

Regards

Edward

Personal logo vtsaogames Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2012 3:31 p.m. PST

Dale, hard to mistrust what you don't know exists. :^)

Thanks for the pointer.

A paper by Petain? My French is only good for ordering another drink and then the check. But I'll give it a look.

Grifflux18 Sep 2012 10:49 a.m. PST

Re the OP, Pétain makes an interesting comment in the section comparing French and Prussian practice. This translates VERY approximately as:

"The splitting of the battalion into columns of companies, each of them enjoying a certain independence, is a feature of the Prussian regulations. The French battalion columns of division attempt to imitate it, but only succeed in theory as their use remains absolutely rigid.

The independence permitted to the Prussian company, which becomes the unit of maneuver and combat in some cases, is a characteristic superiority of the Prussian regulations, although this measure alone is not enough to explain the constant success of Prussians.

What, then, accounts for the superior maneuverability of the Prussian infantry?

The Prussian army has a brain represented by his Grand Staff and its War Academy. In addition, its training is directed with a view to war. Indeed, while the French infantry maneuver on the parade ground, the Prussian infantry is used to frequent training in the fields around garrisons. In addition, Prussia had long ago instituted major annual maneuvers ac­companied by marches and camps, which provide the Prussian infantry with an incredible flexibility in maneuver over other armies. The practical training in different terrains, in conditions close to those of actual war, inculcated in units the ability to think and the qualities of initiative which were clear from the first contact French army. There is no need to look for another cause for the great maneuverability of Prussian infantry."

So Pétain clearly recognises that the Prussians had a greater flexibility below battalion level.

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