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DukeWacoan Supporting Member of TMP Fezian15 Sep 2012 12:06 p.m. PST

I know the Barons under Montfort had white crosses sewn on many rank and file. Did Henry's army wear similar but red crosses?

Would Scots fighting in Barons War have white St Andrews crosses liked they have at Falkirk?

Would Edwards forces at Falkirk wear Red crosses?

I'm talking about crosses sewn on rank and file men.

janner15 Sep 2012 11:35 p.m. PST

Lord Edward's army wore red crosses for Evesham, but the royal army had not worn them at Lewes. Note that this was an army identifier and not a national one. So Montfort's welsh foot at Evesham probably also wore white crosses.

The first evidence I have for Scots wearing the white saltire is the 1385 decree of the Scots Parliament. Note that this was the same year that Richard II ordered that English troops wear red crosses, but I've not done the research to see which came first :-)

Where did you come across the use of the saltire at Falkirk?

Regards,

rampantlion16 Sep 2012 8:19 a.m. PST

I have read that Edward's archers had a red cross on their arm guards during his welsh campaign, but I do not remember the source. Also, I thought that the scots sewed white crosses on their gambesons/aketons during the wars of the Bruces, but it may be atistic fancy?

Allen

DukeWacoan Supporting Member of TMP Fezian16 Sep 2012 9:49 a.m. PST

My main armies are Barons War but I figured by adding about 1/2 more I can also play with them thru Bannockburn. So trying to decide about what to do on the crosses.

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