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Hawkeye88 Inactive Member07 Sep 2012 1:50 p.m. PST

Hi All,

Some of you may remember an OVA from 1988 called Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01. The MADOX is one of my favorite power armor designs of all time. This guy: tinyurl.com/8bjod2c. I've been talking with the right's owner about making 15mm and/or 28mm figures. Actually, figures for both -00 and -01, plus variants, options, etc. So really my question is whether or not anyone else here likes the designs and would be interested in seeing them made.

MajorB07 Sep 2012 2:11 p.m. PST

Link gives a 404 error.

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member07 Sep 2012 2:31 p.m. PST

"." not supposed to be part of the link… whoops…

tinyurl.com/8bjod2c

DyeHard07 Sep 2012 2:36 p.m. PST

Try this:

link

Bad Mood Inactive Member07 Sep 2012 3:06 p.m. PST

Reminds me of the artwork form the Bubblegum Crisis game. I would be interested for the figures in 15mm, not sure about 28mm.

Bad_Mood

Redroom07 Sep 2012 3:47 p.m. PST

looks pretty cool

tekhammer Inactive Member07 Sep 2012 3:54 p.m. PST

For 15mm, I'd be keen.

deviantsaint Inactive Member07 Sep 2012 4:09 p.m. PST

Those look pretty cool. I'ld be down for some.

JRacel Inactive Member07 Sep 2012 5:06 p.m. PST

Yes, for 15mm, but not 28mm. I remember when that Anime was brand new . . . . oh well, just getting old.

SBminisguy07 Sep 2012 5:12 p.m. PST

Yes, 28mm, but not 15mm for me, please!!

Richard Gaulding Inactive Member07 Sep 2012 10:42 p.m. PST

IIRC, isn't MADOX actually part of the Bubblegum Crisis timeline? A prequel of sorts?

Also, yes on both 15mm and 28mm!

stroezie07 Sep 2012 11:06 p.m. PST

I'd be interested in 15mm, no 28mm though
Now if you were to make them in 6mm I'd buy em for sure,there's a destinct lack of mobile suits/small mecha in 6mm, say between 15mm and 25mm tall.

Eclipsing Binaries08 Sep 2012 1:55 a.m. PST

15mm for me, and it would be a BIG yes!!

Moqawama Inactive Member08 Sep 2012 2:16 a.m. PST

15mm all the way!

LordNth Inactive Member08 Sep 2012 2:42 a.m. PST

IIRC, isn't MADOX actually part of the Bubblegum Crisis timeline? A prequel of sorts?

That's what i read somewhere as well.
15mm but I'm only going to say yes if the Tarantula Mini-tank and the Bubblegum Hardsuits get the green light.

Lion in the Stars08 Sep 2012 5:06 a.m. PST

Ground Zero Games has some true-25mm Not-BGC hardsuits that are rather tiny…

And I'd totally get some of those MADOX units in 15mm.

Eli Arndt Inactive Member08 Sep 2012 9:35 a.m. PST

I love the MADOX units and would love to see some heavy power armor like that in 15mm.

-Eli

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member08 Sep 2012 10:30 a.m. PST

IIRC the character who designed the MADOX went on to design the K-series battlemovers for the AD Police. Maybe that one of the artists in MADOX went on to work in BGC. I'm much too lazy to check the liner notes.

Unfortunately it seems like I've definitely lost at least one customer ;-) Under no circumstances will I be making BGC hardsuits, and so far the license we're discussing covers just MADOX-00 and -01 and derivatives, nothing more. We shall see.

Eli Arndt Inactive Member08 Sep 2012 10:43 a.m. PST

It would be easier enough to sub in MADOX suits for AD Police ones or you could always make your own variant that was close but not identical to the AD Police ones. Even the AD Police suits changed from series to series and within a series.

Sergeant Paper08 Sep 2012 2:27 p.m. PST

Do not want.

Junkotron9000 Inactive Member08 Sep 2012 6:37 p.m. PST

Do not want.

Explain? It's one thing to say "eh I'm not really a fan of this" or "oh I wish it was more this way", but flat out saying that you don't want to see someone produce a product that you apparently aren't going to buy anyway is just rude.

LordNth Inactive Member08 Sep 2012 7:58 p.m. PST

So no BGC Hardsuits but the tank from MADOX, the Tarantula is a maybe? I see a Limited Edition set.. ;)

Eli Arndt Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 6:06 a.m. PST

My mind goes straight to extrapolation on the core source material here.

MADOX-01 is a prototype in the series. What about production variants? I know that several Hobby Japan articles introduced everything from gatling guns to drop packages, limpet mines, etc.

Honestly, I think you would have morel uck marketing them as cool military scifi minis. MADOX-01 was kind of obscure even in its day and was more developed as a hobby subject than the anime itself. The designs, however, are solid and should appeal to folks looking for something different in armored battlesuits.

Some pics for folks who don't know what it is

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-Eli

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 9:52 a.m. PST

I don't mind people saying "No." It's irrelevant. What matters is how many say "Yes."

I would not hold my breath on the Tarantula. The terms of the license will dictate what I can do, but basically what I asked for was to be able to use and develop the -00 and -01 suits, and nothing more.

In my own little universe, these are Heinlein's MI. Yes, I have variants planned. I like the Sledgehammer, frex. We can use that as the big league anti-tank variant. Clawhammer will be the close combat version. Jackhammer will be the rocket pod version (the latter two being my own variants). Those are all based on the -00 Hammerhead.

The -01 will get its own variants as well, including a dedicated scout and a dedicated command suit. (The airdrop version I'm not going to touch. The Equalizer cannon version I consider to be the main trooper).

And physical sizes will probably be a little larger than some people would expect. The -00 is "officially" listed at ~8'2", but, assuming a 5'6" pilot, it really needs to be closer to 9'3", at least, and taller if you want average height men in there.

I'm tentatively planning on a 10' suit, so roughly 30mm height for the -00, then 23mm for the '01 (~7'8"). Obviously I'll know more once I build them in 3D.

The point being that a faithful recreation of the -00 and -01 is nice, but a developed line with more models is more interesting.

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 9:56 a.m. PST

and I think this is the link you're looking for: MADOX variants

Eli Arndt Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 10:21 a.m. PST

you've got my attention

-Eli

stroezie09 Sep 2012 11:11 a.m. PST

30mm would be pushing it for me, but 23mm has definately got my attention.

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 12:17 p.m. PST

Yeah, 30mm is big. The -00 pushes the limits for just about as large as a powered SUIT can go before it crosses into robot territory (IMNSHO). The pilot's legs are in the suit's legs, but the pilot's arms are bundled up in the suit's chest.

I'm thinking PI -- Panzer Infantry… with Panzer translating to armor or tank. But I'd rather not go the whole Panzergrenadier route. Or maybe Armored Infantry. Or Armored Mechanized Infantry (AMI? lol). Or just Mechanized Infantry. Or who the frak really cares. Maybe we need a poll on what you prefer to call your PA guys. I'm still partial to BGC's Battlemovers.

LordNth Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 12:44 p.m. PST

I wasn't saying no. Sorry if it came off that way. Just I got excited thinking if you had the license then all the other stuff (all the MADOX stuff, AD Police, BGC).

Yes I'd want one (or two), even if just to get the ball rolling on the other stuff.

While Kevin will say it isn't so, you can see the inspiration for RIFTS S.A.M.A.S. power armor. So there is some crossover appeal.

Eli Arndt Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 12:53 p.m. PST

The terms Powersuit or Battlesuit are always good too.

I feel the German nomenclature is over-used and have been guilty of using it too freely myself.

-Eli

werwulf Inactive Member09 Sep 2012 8:01 p.m. PST

Man I LOVE MADOX-01. Best plot ever, guy goes to pick up his girlfriend and gets stuck in a Power Armor that is being sought after by a CRAZY tank commander! 15mm would be great to see!

Psyckosama Inactive Member10 Sep 2012 5:44 a.m. PST

Drat. The Tarantula is the one thing from the movie I'd have wanted the most… :(

Eli Arndt Inactive Member10 Sep 2012 5:57 a.m. PST

I don't remember the Tarantula. Anyone got a pic?

-Eli

Eli Arndt Inactive Member10 Sep 2012 10:06 a.m. PST

Oh…that was the name of the tank. NM. It's been a decade or so since I watched the anime.

Sargonarhes10 Sep 2012 5:25 p.m. PST

The MADOX isn't a part of the Bugglegum Crisis story, just same designer. Much like how Kunio Okawara is well known for designing Gundams, but he also designed the AT Votoms. Or Shoji Kawamori for Macross, Ghost in the Shell, Outlaw Star and Gundam 0083 etc….

Aramaki Shinji is the man that designed the MADOX-01, who is also known for Bubblegum Crisis, Genesis Climber MOSPEDA, Gall Force, (which is why Inbit/Invid and Paranoid drones look so much alike) He too have been involved with Gundam MS Igloo.

The anime Starship Troopers powered suit was designed by Miyatake Kazutaka, who is also known for his designs in many Dirty Pair shows as well as for the Macross Fortress itself.

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Eli Arndt Inactive Member10 Sep 2012 8:51 p.m. PST

I don't think anyone implied it was part of the show, just the the designs were similar and that they had a similar appeal.

-Eli

Gunner Dunbar Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2012 10:56 p.m. PST

15mm would be cool.

Psyckosama Inactive Member11 Sep 2012 2:09 a.m. PST

BTW: link

Farstar Inactive Member11 Sep 2012 1:38 p.m. PST

In my own little universe, these are Heinlein's MI.

The resemblance to the anime Starship Troopers is notable.
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Eli Arndt Inactive Member11 Sep 2012 2:01 p.m. PST

Think it's the same mechanical designer.

-Eli

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member12 Sep 2012 5:50 p.m. PST

Don't worry Lord Nth, pretty sure you didn't say anything ;-)

I think I was implying that MADOX and BGC were related but I don't mind being wrong. It's been a long time since I've watched BGC and I was just going off half-remembered things.

Yup, Tarantula was the tank. I like it well enough, I'm just more interested in doing PA right now. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if someone else took the Tarantula and ran with it.

I like the Japanese SST PA. I think it's a bit dated (more so than the MADOX) but it is cool.

Now if we could just get some pseudo-arachnids with guns…

Scorpio13 Sep 2012 8:15 a.m. PST

I'd pick up a few for 15mm.

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member30 Sep 2012 10:05 a.m. PST

Just a little positive update. Still talking with them. They seem pretty willing…you know, because they sent me the terms sheet to sign ;) The terms seem pretty reasonable. There are a few points that need clarification, but all in all I'm kinda excited.

Eli Arndt Inactive Member30 Sep 2012 11:14 a.m. PST

Good news!

-Eli

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member16 Feb 2013 5:35 p.m. PST

CorSecEng Inactive Member16 Feb 2013 6:35 p.m. PST

More people should be doing things like this. I'd love to see more licensed stuff on the market. Someone should call disney about some star wars stuff. I wonder if they are less of a tight wad then lucas was.

Lion in the Stars16 Feb 2013 9:22 p.m. PST

I'm amazed that they're willing to give a license for any time other than Comiket… Yes, ONE-DAY licensing for products. Well, technically it's a 'you can only sell licensed product on this day' license. Japan has all sorts of 'put it on the shelf and look at it' collectors, but they don't seem to get the minis gamer. Not like my parents do either, though.

But color me highly interested. I'd definitely pick up a few. Maybe a platoon's worth. OK, maybe a Mobile Infantry platoon's worth (~50)!

Kyn ell16 Feb 2013 9:26 p.m. PST

So how much do you reckon would a license to produce star wars 15mm stuff cost?
Would it be viable?

Hawkeye88 Inactive Member16 Feb 2013 10:29 p.m. PST

If I had to guess, about $20,000 USD up front, then a 10% royalty per fig. Negotiate it right and that initial $20 USDK would count towards your royalties.

I could do that, but I'd rather not. I'm generally not as interested in troops as I am mechanicals (PA notwithstanding). Isn't there already a ton of not-SW figs anyway?

That said, it would be an interesting thought experiment. But not in this thread, me thinks.

Lion in the Stars16 Feb 2013 11:28 p.m. PST

Forget the SW stuff. Get a good showing with the MADOX suits, then go back and see what else you can license!

If I didn't have to convert Gasaraki minis, that would be really freaking cool!

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