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Glengarry 4 Inactive Member14 Aug 2012 4:06 p.m. PST

… did each infantry battalion carry into battle 1813-1814?

plutarch 6415 Aug 2012 2:00 a.m. PST

According to the Anschluss booklet "The Army of Sweden 1802-1814" by W.J. Rawkins, there were two per battalion.

The first battalion of each regiment was issued with a Liffana and a Kompanifana, and the second with two Kompanifana flags.

The writer states that the Swedes carried the 1766 pattern which were officicially ordered to be withdrawn in 1809, and then not replaced until Bernadotte reissued new patterns at the end of 1814.

That would imply a five-year gap without standards, but I would guess that it would have been more probable for the regiments to have hung on to and taken their old flags with them in 1813, until replaced by Bernadotte at the end of the campaign in 1814.

For what it's worth, for my 1813 Swedes (if I ever get around to them), I have just gone with one Kompanifana per battalion.

Green Tiger Supporting Member of TMP15 Aug 2012 5:55 a.m. PST

Well Kompanifana means company flag so would there not be 1 a company ?
I have a book on it in Swedish so I'll have a look when I get home…

Garde de Paris15 Aug 2012 8:06 a.m. PST

It seems that the 7 YW was the last time battalions carried company flags. I recall that the Prussians had one flag per company 5 to a musketeer or fusilier battalion all carried in the battle line in the center. They formed the 5 companies into 4 "divisions", so the companies were essentially administrative, and one captain was an extra.

The French line battalions had 16 fusilier companies, and one grenadier. I always use 2 flags for their battalions, but do not know if they still had a flag per company. Can you imagine 16 flags along the battalion battle line!

GdeP

Glengarry 4 Inactive Member15 Aug 2012 11:40 a.m. PST

Thanks, I think I'll go with two colours! If I recall right I read somewhere the Kompanifana were in provincial colours… anyone know what those colours were, exactly?

Swampking15 Aug 2012 12:07 p.m. PST

Glengarry 4,

Take a look here:

link

This is Lars Rossle's page for the 1788 war – he used to have the liffana and kompanifana of all the regiments listed here. Considering some Swedish units used the model 1769 colors and other units used newer or older colours, the choice is yours.

You also need to get a copy of 'Between the Imperial Eagles: The Swedish Armed Forces During the Napoleonic Period, 1788-1816' or some such title [I'm not in Poland, so I can't remember the exact subtitle] as there's a chapter in that book on the colours and standards of all Swedish regiments during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic period.

I also have some color photocopies lying around somewhere of most of the kompanifana. You can email me and I'll see if I can find them after I return to Poland:

jestarnes66@gmail.com

Hope this helps

Glengarry 4 Inactive Member15 Aug 2012 10:55 p.m. PST

Thanks Swampking,valuable info! I'll be in touch, thank you!
Colin

Glengarry 4 Inactive Member16 Aug 2012 2:39 a.m. PST

Dear Swampking
The mail I sent you bounced back. maybe you can reach me?
colinupton@telus.net

here's what I wrote:

Thanks for your help. I'm putting together Walmoden's Corps of 1813-1814 with the following Swedish units:

Foot:
Smaland Infantry Regiment
Jonkopngs Infantry Regiment (3 battalions)
South Skanska Infantry Regiment
Konigs Infantry Regiment

Cavalry:
Mortier Hussars (all two figures of them!)
Skanske Karabinier

Artillery:
8 guns Mendes regiment (I'm not sure if it's foot or horse!)

thanks again!
Colin

Musketier Supporting Member of TMP16 Aug 2012 9:17 a.m. PST

Swedish provincial arms as represented on the colours would not have changed since the Great Northern War – another reason to hang onto the flags until new ones were actually issued. So GNW flag ranges may be of use.

Green Tiger Supporting Member of TMP17 Aug 2012 8:56 a.m. PST

I think you may be right about the provincial arms forming the central device but the patterns of the flags changed frequently. My Swedish is pretty poor but I believe that during the Napoleonic period alone there were changes in 1804, 1806 & 1812 ( I could be wrong they could be the issue dates for particular examples). I think however that even allowing for units carrying older patterns (as in Russia) they are unlikely to have been the same as GNW flags.
I would strongly suggest that you contact the Armemuseum in Stockholm who have a large collection of surviving flags.

Swampking17 Aug 2012 11:44 a.m. PST

Glengarry,

Email sent back to you!

Eric

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian08 Aug 2017 7:44 p.m. PST

You also need to get a copy of 'Between the Imperial Eagles: The Swedish Armed Forces During the Napoleonic Period, 1788-1816' or some such title [I'm not in Poland, so I can't remember the exact subtitle] as there's a chapter in that book on the colours and standards of all Swedish regiments during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic period.

Antony Dalton writes:

According to Amazon, which posted a picture of the cover, the title is;

Between the Imperial Eagles: Swedens Armed Forces during the Revolutionary and The Napoleonic Wars 1780 – 1820

by Fred Sandstedt

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