"24 lb guns at Lundy's Lane" Topic

Hello all,
I am looking to find a decent figure for the 24 lb guns the British had at the battle of Lundy's Lane. A quick google search got me this:
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Looks like maybe a large French or Russian gun may do the trick but thought I would post here for additional ideas. Anyone have suggestions?
Thanks so much!
mike

Mike,
The Hinchcliffe line has a Brit 18lber and they also have a large ECW gun.

Hmmm, well I am leaning towards an Old Glory 20lb Russian gun but I will have to check into the Hinchcliffe.
Thanks for the idea!

Doesn't Old Glory make a 24lber for their Nappy equipment line?

I thought I picked up the 12lber and 18lber from them as well.

Eric

I nosed around and didn't see 24lb. Maybe I didn't look hard enough?

Or maybe I am having a senior moment…

Just as likely these days.

Eric

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Russian 20lb
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Brit 18lb
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French 24lb Howitzer

The guns concerned have been described as 'light' 24-pounders and as field pieces. They have also been described as 'slow-firing.' So, it probably was not a siege gun.

Sincerely,
K

So are you saying that the miniatures we are considering represent the incorrect type of gun?

Hinchliffe makes a 25mm 24lb code = SG4 British 24 Pdr Gun 1700-1790.
Foundry made a 24lb field gun as part of their AWI range code= AWI027 American 24 and crew. Although American the barrel is embossed with Britsh crown. I have this one for my future Chippawa and Lundy's Lane battles.

Hinchliffe artillery is very nice.

'So are you saying that the miniatures we are considering represent the incorrect type of gun?'

They may be. I believe what has been shown are siege pieces, not field pieces. That is a significant difference.

Sincerely,
K

Iron Duke;
THAT'S the one I'm thinking of. Sorry eptingmike, I was thinking Foundry. I apologize. Bit of a senior moment there.

Eric

Not a problem!

Anyone have a picture/link to a 'light' 24lb field piece? Is this something that would have to be cobbled together from bits and pieces to make an accurate miniature?

Talk about "a day late and a dollar short"…
Here's a 24lb model made by John Jenkins Design.
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I use the old Hinchcliffe 30mm range, I believe they are now called the Super-gun range, available from Hinds in the UK

I picked up a few off evilbay

rabbit

Granted that in the Peninsular one of the frequent references to a lack of heavy field guns, especially compared to the French 12pdr.

So why was a 'light' 24lb field piece available in a secondary theater, rather than used in the Iberian Peninsular?

Perhaps an improvised naval gun? 24pdr was a pretty standard naval weapon. A light 24pdr could be a lander naval carronade, but also a 5.5" howitzer (they were also fired 24lb shell).

I should think naval weapons were more easily sourced than lugging more artillery from Europe – was a hell of a trip in those days.

I believe that Archeopteryx may be correct. I seem to have a vague notion that I read such in some book I cannot recall! :)
Is it possible it could be left over from the War of Independence and put on a new carriage? It seems to me that I also read that all sorts of odd-duck artillery showed up in the War of 1812.

If I remember correctly from my days working at Fort George, the 24pdrs. used by the British were actually captured U.S. pieces from Detroit. However, the U.S. guns at Detroit may have been previously captured British guns, or even French guns. Had the U.S. started casting their own large artillery by June 1812?

The US had started casting iron guns for their Navy in the 1780s. Although still utilising captured, French and Swedish Iron guns. They had not cast 24-pdr bronze guns at this stage.
Stephen

So why was a 'light' 24lb field piece available in a secondary theater, rather than used in the Iberian Peninsular?

Probably because they were already in-theater (see Spontoon
s post about them being from Detroit) and didn't need to be moved there.

As to the Peninsula, the British did send out some 12-pdrs, but they sat in Lisbon as they required more horses to move than lighter guns. Draft animals being at a premium in Spain, Wellington went with a larger number of more mobile guns rather than the big ones.

The French didn't use that many 12-pdrs in Spain, either. IIRC, most of the French guns captured at Salamanca were 4-pdrs. These were still in wide-spread use in 1812 in Spain because they were easy to move around and required fewer horses than heavier pieces.

Again with the Swedish guns! I weary of explaining " a la Suedoise' does not mean Made in Sweden! it means '"in the Swedish fashion", or battalion guns!